School Busing
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  • 4/27 9:09pm   Once again SM is spreading his misinformation... According to an email sent this afternoon from the Superintendent to all who choose to support and send their kids to Norfolk Public Schools... the offer was $30,000 not $20,000 as SM wrote earlier!
    "Last night at the Advisory Board meeting the Selectman offered the School Committee an additional $30K of the expected $90K that the bus fees would have generated for the schools. This $30K represents the amount of money that would be generated from the anticipated bus fee that presently offsets our operating budget. The School Committee accepted the Selectmen's offer and rescinded its vote to implement a bus fee in FY'08."
    Keep it up, SM... will you EVER get your stories straight??
    - PB

  • 4/27 4:20pm   DM, I am glad to see you finally acknowledge that SC members are actively supporting Jay Talerman. Jim Lehan would not have made a public statement at the Candidates Night of the existence of a negative email campaign unless he had proof of its existence. Jim made a statement that night that emails have been sent around that asserted that Jim was against the schools which couldn't be further from the truth. At the same time Jay Talerman have never acknowledged that SC members are actively supporting his campaign while at the same time he has prominently displayed on his web page testimonials from members of other Town Boards. DM, a theory is an assumption that you plan to test and probe. There are no assumptions in this situation but rather a set of actions that clearly demonstrate that Talerman is indeed the "Trojan Horse" candidate.
    On a separate note I was pleased to see last night that the SC decided not to implement the bus fee. Kudos go out to the BOS and Selectmen led by Jim Lehan for kicking in $20k towards the [school] budget so that the bus fee will not be implemented in FY 2008. Just because SC's of other towns have implemented bus fees to enhance their revenues doesn't make it right. We have an obligation as a community to make sure our kids get to school safely and we don't have the sidewalks in place so that kids can walk safely to school. Also the costs of running the school should be the responsibility of all taxpayers and we should not be unfairly burdening those parents with kids in the school, especially those with large families.
    - SM

    [I have a problem with the term "Trojan Horse" candidate. Trojan Horse implies that something is not as it would appear, for the sole purpose of gaining trust, and will change in nature once accepted. However, the opinions on Talerman have cited extensively from the record, and in fact are asking us to vote based on the record! My quandary - if it's part of the record, can it be said to be deceptive? Can any candidate who is running on and is being challenged on their public record be said to be a "Trojan Horse" candidate?
    Put another way, we're being asked to choose a candidate based on their public record. If we do, and they get elected, and they act, as we are cautioned, in a manner consistent with that record, how is it meaningful to suggest that we will have been deceived? - Wm.]

  • 4/25 10:04am   Update on the potential School Bus Fee...
    The School Committee will attend a meeting with the Advisory Board on Thursday, April 26, 2007 at 7:30 PM At the Norfolk Town Hall - Room 124
    As I understand it, the SC will be discussing with the Board alternate ways of dealing with the bus fee as it has previously been proposed. I will be attending the meeting an encourage others to as well.
    Also, I have contacted the person at the MA Board of Education who oversees safety concerns and am waiting to hear back.
    Regards,
    - SR

  • 4/25 9:07am   SM, I see you can't let the teacher contract drop, so here I am again to counter your claims with facts.
    To state that the looming townwide fiscal crisis in FY09 is due to the teacher contract is downright silly. First of all the contract is up for negotiation next year so we do not know what the increases will be beyond FY08. Second, I urge you to look at the school bugets and town warrants as voted by town meeting for the past few years. Look at the salary line item for the schools (which includes the teachers' salaries as well as the Superintendent's, and all others, and any staffing cuts or additions). On average this cost has increased 2.4 percent year on year. Compare that to the town (all non-school related departments combined) of 6.0 percent year on year increases. It is clear the contracts called into question aren't bankrupting the town. Anticipating your next comment, the above figures do not include any benefits costs on the school side or town side. When you add those costs in and move the schools portion of the benefits to the salary line items (comparing salary and benefits costs for the non-school employees to the same figure for Norfolk Elementary employees) the schools increase from FY06 to FY07 was 3.9 percent versus the towns 9.7 percent. I agree with you that this is a very important election. The town finances are in dire straits and we all need to work together to solve the challenges we face. I have heard similar sentiments from others in town and urge everyone to vote on Tuesday.
    JPB, Providing safe transportation for our children to school is, and always has been, a goal of the School Committee. Buses will remain available for all children to use next year (unlike what Franklin is proposing), and remains the safest, most efficient method of getting children to and from school. The only change will be families that live within 2 miles of school will have to pay a portion of the cost if a fee is imposed. To characterize the introduction of a bus fee as putting children at risk is using scare tactics to cloud the issue, and simply not true. Also stating that this is suddenly an issue for the Board of Selectmen at the 11th hour is incorrect. The School Committee has been in discussions with town hall since early last fall on the issue and the financial need the fee will fill, if we decide to charge one, was known to all parties the first week of January.
    Regards,
    - DM (School Committee member, voicing my own opinions and not speaking on behalf of the full committee or any other member)

  • 4/24 10:06pm   Providing safe school buses for our children should have been the 1st thing funded out of the Norfolk School budget, not the last. It seems to me that without kids we have no need for the staff. If a parent made such poor choices they would be turned in to the Department of Social Services (DSS). The safety of our children was used as a political football to be kicked into the hands of Jim Lehan at the 11th hour.
    - JPB

  • 4/24 6:18pm   PL, The outcome of this election is important because no matter who is in the Selectman seat, the Town is going to face a budget shortfall in FY 2009, mainly due to an over-rich Teacher Contract granted by the SC to the Teachers that doles out on average 6.75% raises. The voters need to understand how each of the candidates will deal with the budget shortfall because Lehan and Talerman have dramatically different philosophical views as to the Selectmen's role is and thus how they would approach to the problem.
    Based on my interpretation of the interviews, Lehan believes that the Selectmen's job is to balance the budget with the goal of no reduction in services. In order to do this Selectmen must have strong knowledge of finance and they must have the leadership skills so they can effectively push back and get each department to give something up and share equally in the pain. Lehan stated that "the town only has one checkbook" and that we collectively work together through the process. Jim Lehan is Chairman of the BOS and they have balanced the budget without the need for overrides for two years in a row. Second, they have done it without reaching into savings (free cash), so in my book hats off to Lehan and the BOS because they have gotten the job done.
    Talerman's approach, on the other hand, is what I would call the lawyerly "Socratic" approach. In Talerman's view nothing is off the table and budgets don't matter ("Policy dictates budgets") and all departments should make their case to the BOS as to why they need additional money. If Talerman believes that the department made a compelling case for more money and the money is not available in the overall budget, Talerman would put the question to the voters in the form of a "pocket override" for that department. Talerman made the statement "Overrides are a way of doing business." Talerman's definition of a pocket override is that rather than have one large override, there would be separate overrides for each department. Thus each department and Town Board would make their case and then the voters would decide "a la carte" which override to support. Sounds kinda good on the surface, democratic and all. However, as you think it through, pocket overrides could be devastating because the process would pit special interest groups and Town Boards against each other; all of them fighting for limited resources. The end result would be one department cannibalizing resources from others and we would have a situation where essential public safety services would be compromised.
    Thus it swings full circle back to the role of the Selectmen. In my view the Selectmen's job to take a business approach to the budgets and derive the greatest value of service possible from the given expenditure. (Yes Mr. Talerman, the business analogy does apply - we the taxpayers are the Towns' shareholders and it's the Selectmen's job to get he greatest value of services possible for our tax dollars.) After completing this process, if an override is necessary then the BOS should propose an override that takes into account all of the public services required by the public and recommend one override that covers all of these needs.
    Imagine for a minute a Talerman-led budget process where the Schools got their money but the fire department did not and as a result they can only have one ambulance on call. Then some day they receive two 911 emergency calls at same time and can only respond to one and as a result a resident dies. I know the example is extreme, but it points to how important the Selectman's job is and why Jim Lehan is the better candidate. Rather than abdicate the Selectmen's responsibility to the voters via the pocket override, Lehan understands that we are all in the same boat together and that its Selectmen's job to make sure that all essential services are provided to residents. Thus voters shouldn't be fooled by the Talerman's [Deval] Patrick type campaign; promising nothing, dreaming of everything.
    - SM

  • 4/14 11:24am   DM: As I mentioned in my earlier posts, I do in fact find value in Spanish and computers. I don't think I ever said that we should charge for Spanish, which (as you point out) would not be possible. I simply pose the question to make a point. That is, if we can't afford free busing, then why (as a town) can we afford free Spanish or free computers?
    Perhaps one solution would be to eliminate Spanish, or computers. Would that be desirable? Probably not, at least not to many... but in terms of which services are most important to elementary schools, I would say that busing is more critical than either Spanish or computers. The fact that we are referring to elementary schools should not be lost in this argument. If we were speaking of high school students, my opinion might be different. For a high a high school student (old enough to walk or ride safely and independently... and being mature enough in their education/career path to actually determine whether or not a foreign language might be beneficial to them), I would most likely side more on funding foreign language or computers, rather than free busing. But that is a separate argument, not completely relevant, given the fact that we have a regional high school.
    Now when I spoke about eliminating safe transportation, I was not creating a misconception. I said, in fact, "safe, free transportation". We (you) are suggesting we eliminate safe, free transportation... all the while, still finding money for Spanish and computers. Nothing has changed that. That is simply a fact. Please correct me if any part of that is wrong.
    But DM, while I have your ear (eyes), and in all seriousness: Would you be able to share your thoughts on a couple related points? I realize that your thoughts are your own, and I really do appreciate your participation in this forum.
    1. If a fee is due in May, and someone decides in August that they need bus service (within 2 miles), should the service be available to them?
    2. If a fee is paid by a resident in May, who in August realizes that they no longer want the service (personal choice, employment status, moving out of town), should the fee be rebated?
    3. What about mid year changes? Should sufficient portions of the funds be set aside for rebates during the year?
    4. Busing is funded in the school budget for 2006/2007. If a bus fee is collected in 2007/2008, should the school budget be decreased by the amount collected from the fee?
    P.S. I love when we stay on subject! I didn't have use the "m" word once! ;)
    - CB

  • 4/14 9:51am   CB, Regarding charging for Spanish, Computers, or any other program you may not personally find valuable for the children of this town, legally we could not charge for these classes even if we wanted to-which we don't. I'll also reiturate my earlier point that I don't want to charge for bussing but legally it is an option (for those that live within the 2 mile limit set by the state of MA) and we may have to do so now or in the future.
    I do want to clear up a misconception that the opponents of this proposal like to spread. We are not eliminating safe transportation to school for any child. We agree with Chief Stone that the best, most efficient, safest, and most environmentally friendly method of getting children to and from school is to use the bus. I realize household budgets are tight-it is no different in my home-and that charging a fee of any amount may cause some families to stop using the bus. I hope that our efforts to work with town leadership (which we initiated last fall on this topic and only last week gained traction) bear fruit and we are able to avoid having to charge a bus fee next year.
    Regards,
    - DM (comments made above are my own and do not necessarily represent those of other SC members or the board as a whole.)

  • 4/13 7:23pm   To CB: Thank you for your last post, and I'm glad we can clear up our misunderstandings. I thought SO was using those examples to answer your question regarding the importance of Spanish in the classroom. But that may just be my inference. I agree that he/she did not take a stand on which is more important. I was not addressing that question myself and I am not sure which one is more important. I think busing is very important as a community, but I also wish we could fund a better Spanish or other language program as I believe it would be wonderful for all our children and would enlighten them in many ways, beyond just the language. It could expose them to other cultures and traditions and religions and lead to better understanding between the US and foreign countries. Maybe it would improve our image on the world stage, which I think is a bit low these days.
    On another note, it looks by the photo and your comments that your served our country in the past. Thanks to you and to all our troops that serve our country. Any disagreements about the war are not directed to the troops that are serving. Our family has a young relative in Korea on his way to Iraq or Afganistan.
    - MGD

  • 4/13 6:25pm   SM, At the next School Committee meeting I'll let John Olivieri know that you believe he's hatched a diabolical plot to take over the town. I realize he is a very well travelled and smart man, but I know John and yes, he is a Senior, but he doesn't have a mean bone in his body. I think you need to rethink your conspiracy theory.
    He, like all volunteers that make up the School Committee, are consistently trying to do what is best for the children attending our two elementary schools and the town as a whole. Personnally I think you should lay off picking on John, he's a good man with a pure heart.
    Regards,
    - DM (School Committee member speaking on my own behalf, not under the mind control of John or any other SC member for that matter)

  • 4/13 6:01pm   MGD: I'm not angry. Frustrated, yes, but that is to be expected, given my age ;) Our geo-political differences notwithstanding, I harbor no ill will for anyone on this forum, in this town, or well... after that, I can't be sure. President of Iran? Yeah, I have ill will. Kim Jung Il? Yeah... But you, or SO, or anyone else who thinks I need to spend a timeout in Canada.... Naaah. Life would be much less interesting if everyone agreed with me on anything! :-)
    I don't think I called anyone the "m word" (I can't believe I just phrased it like that) directly. I just went back and re-read my postings, and I can't find the case where I did. I use the term "moonbat" to generally address people (and their rambling) who are so pre-occupied with hating George Bush, that everything else falls by the wayside when they confront almost any subject... Certainly any political subject.
    All of this arose because, when I posed questions about allocating the limited monies which we have to one program (busing) over another (Spanish or computers), the responses I received (from you and from SO) were not at all related to the bussing issue, but rather to George Bush, and his lack of visiting Canada before being elected. Where did that come from? I never mentioned Bush, or Canada, or Ambassadors.... I simply was asking about the priorities of spending limited funds on bussing versus other programs such as Spanish or computers.
    - CB

    [Very well, here are a few cases where it was pretty clear to me from the context that people were being called "moonbats" or worse:
    ``LD: You very well may be a moonbat, I don't know. Your inclination to follow the lead in these posts... [...] might qualify you'' and ``So simple in fact, I'm sure even a lost moonbat could understand it. But, for those who strive for moonbat status, '' (4/13 5:18pm)
    ``the standard moonbat talking points: George Bush this.... Iraq that....'' (4/13 5:09pm)
    ``Sounds to mean like a moonbat talking point.'' (4/13 9:57am)
    In my book, creating an inference that a comment or an opinion voiced by someone is tantamount to a "moonbat talking point" or calling those who have chosen to ignore a particular question stupider than a moonbat is the same as calling them a moonbat and calling them stupid. And only a moonbat wouldn't see that. (I'm making a point, I didn't call anyone a moonbat! But it aptly illustrates the point :-) - Wm.]

  • 4/13 5:21pm   For the record, the tem moonbat, as I use it, can be found in Wikipedia at: [here]
    Specifically, I use the term is the same light as a local Boston Herald columnist, Howie Carr.
    Boston commentator Howie Carr has been using the term in his Boston Herald columns and on his radio show since July 2005. In September, 2006, Carr ran a number of segments called "How do you spot a moonbat?" on his daily radio show, and described a moonbat as "A left-wing nut who probably suffers from Bush Derangement Syndrome."
    - CB

    [Having listened to Howie Carr's program (he always struck me as a liberal hosting a conservative show -- he seemed to be laughing at some of his callers; it could be quite amusing), I gather Moonbat is a term of derision and insult. So how about cutting back on the Moonbat-isms? - Wm.]

  • 4/13 5:20pm   CB - Getting a little angry, are we?? I was responding to your post where you brought up all the points that you did. And I would imagine liberals and conservatives and all those in between would agree more with me and SO than you. Sorry if that makes you upset. But if you want to have an opinion and call people moonbats, don't expect others not to disagree with you.
    - MGD

  • 4/13 5:18pm   LD: You very well may be a moonbat, I don't know. Your inclination to follow the lead in these posts... that is to say, addressing not the issue at hand (Busing versus Spanish - allocating money for 1st graders), but rather the vitriolic flaming of George Bush, very well might qualify you for an honorary membership in "Obama-Osama-Clinton-Oh-Mamma" moonbat club.
    One more time... I did not bring up George Bush, or Iraq, or any other such nonsense. SO did and MGD did and you did.
    I raised a very simple question. So simple in fact, I'm sure even a lost moonbat could understand it. But, for those who strive for moonbat status, but aren't quite there yet, let me pose it one more time.
    Faced, as we are, with limited funds... Faced as we are with having to cut an expense, if funds can't be found....
    Does it make more sense to cut safe transportation, or Spanish for first graders?
    You see...that is, after all, what we are doing: cutting a service (free, safe bus rides), for lack of funds.
    Simple question folks!! And guess what? Your answer will surely reflect the state of your moonbatness, or not.
    - CB

  • 4/13 4:13pm   KP, Regarding Jay Talerman, you need to ignore all his hand waving and boastful claims that he makes on his glossy web site and peel back the onion a bit more.
    Jay has just recently used his municipal legal expertise as a Conservation Committee member to prevent the town pond from being built, ignoring the will the taxpayers who liked the idea of building a recreational faculty and approved the construction of the pond at the last town meeting. Jay Talerman [...] unilaterally filed a lawsuit with the Commonwealth of Mass to block this project without even first consulting the Recreation Department and attempting to work out their differences This sort of divisive power play comes right out of the SC's playbook. We are tired of the SC and Talerman's divisive power plays and expect more out of our elected town officials.
    Put aside your own hidden personal agendas and work together for the common good of the town. We don't need more power plays such as when the SC cancelled a long standing Library Shared Services agreement without any discussion or even having the courtesy and decency to inform the Library Trustees before they made their decision. I have been around town long enough to see candidates like Talerman get elected based on fancy slogans and it's only after they are in power that we learn about their hidden personal agendas. So I repeat again beware of Talerman the "Trojan Horse" Candidate. This analogy has more levels than just his strong affiliation with the SC and their common ideology.
    On his web site, Mr. Talerman boasts that he was responsible for securing $440,000 in funds for the town from the 40B condo project being built in the town center. Note however that the $440k can only be used for affordable housing. I can recall at last year's town meeting there was a stealth warrant up for vote to establish a special fund to hold the $440k. So I took the meeting floor to find out why we needed a special fund in the first place and the surprising response was the restricted fund was required because the legal agreement (we now know this was drafted by Talerman) specified that $440,000 could only be used to build affordable housing. I pressed George Hall the town counsel and he affirmed that the money could not be put back into the general fund therefore the town needed a special fund. So picture this, the town is on a real tight budget with many needs; the $440,000 could have been used for the schools or to establish a vehicle stabilization fund but instead the town is being forced to spend the money to build affordable housing for those that can't afford to live in Norfolk. The taxpayer is already sufficiently funding affordable housing through the Community Preservation act and the CPA fund has around $3 million in it. So I don't know why Mr. Talerman and the other powers to be made the decision to divert $440k of taxpayer money and give it away to others
    In my book Mr. Talerman's actions represent a form of creeping socialism that unfortunately is all too prevalent at the town level. Boards such as the CPC have giving away your tax dollars to others in the form of outright grants. So before you cast your vote, I would caution voters to look beyond Talerman, the slick well spoken candidate and really study his political ideology and prior actions.
    - SM

  • 4/13 11:34am   From KL: (it bears repeating)
    "I hope everyone will take the time to find out more about Jay Talerman: His municipal experience, his long range vision, and his global understanding of all of these issues would make him a huge asset to this community, be you old, young, with children in the school system (or not), concerned about the moonscape and its frustrating lack of progress, or concerned about Norfolk's dwindling open space.
    Other towns pay lots of money for Jay's expertise; you know that old saying about the cow and milk?
    Please take the time to learn more about Jay Talerman.. " Agreed... I find it very amusing to picture Jay Talerman as anyone's "Trojan Horse" (SM). If anyone has ever met Jay or heard him speak intelligently on how he wants to improve Norfolk for everyone, they would know that no one is "using" Jay Talerman. There is no conspiracy, SM. Jay is an intelligent, experienced individual and, IMHO, the best candidate for Selectman. Things need to change in Norfolk, and not just in the weeks before an election. Vote for Jay Talerman and Norfolk will surely benefit.
    - KP

  • 4/13 9:57am   SO: Hmmmm... treading lightly (hoping not to aggrevate your blood pressure), perhaps it would be best for you to take a seat before reading this reply? :)
    I find comfort in my argument, when my opponent's best recourse is to divert the subject away from the critical points at hand (grin), and so I must ponder what these thoughts have to do with the proposed busing fee, or first grade foreign language instruction:
    • The pre-election travel itinerary of a president who is now into his 7th year in office
    • Sounds to mean like a moonbat talking point. Can you please tell me how many countries Abraham Lincoln visited? Well... don't bother goggling for the answer because my question is rhetorical. Who cares! Their vacation history means nothing to me... and it seemed to mean little to the Americans who voted Bush into office, over a host of worldly contenders, twice.
    • The travel history of a person appointed to an ambassadorship of a country as far away and as culturally alien to us as.... Canada
    • Canada? Are you serious? We are talking about the same Canada, right? Just how different is Canada, in that it should require some prior acclimation to the culture? American ambassadors represent the USA, they don't represent the host nation. Do you have data on the ambassadorships of Clinton, and how many might have also lacked such critical prior qualifications? If so, let's do a comparative analysis, just to be fair (and balanced), ok? Or, is this simply another moonbat talking point, thrown like most political bombs, with the intent of diverting the argument away from the points at hand.
    • The expectation for our soldiers, fighting a war in a foreign land, to necessarily speak the indigenous languages and dialects of the opponent. Do you understand how ludicrous this expectation is? Do you honestly expect that the brave men and women who get on a plane in the dark of night to put their lives on the line four our liberties, only to get off in a foreign land, should have to be fluent in the indigenous dialects of the lands into which they are placed to fight? So that, yesterday they must have spoken German, today they must speak Arabic, and tomorrow they should speak Chinese, Spanish, Russian, or some tribal dialect from Sudan?
    Regarding "I have traveled fairly well, and am decent in a few languages..." Well, good for you! I now see your point... "Everyone, from the President to the foot soldier, should be like me" I understand that... I don't agree with it, but I understand where you are coming from.
    Look, I could go on and on, but having the Wm slice my post in half (linking to another page) is frustrating, so let me get back to the subject at hand: the busing fee.
    The school department has a budget.
    The school department has many costs.
    One of the costs is teaching Spanish to first graders.
    One of the costs is transporting children safely to school.
    Given a budget which is not sufficient to cover the costs, which of these two costs (above) would be more important to fund? Which, then of those two costs should be more dependent on the school departments ability to raise additional fund?
    It is as simple as that!
    And you know, I have to ask (since you have such an obvious exposure to language diversity): At what age/grade did you first encounter a structured language instruction? Was it first grade? Was it Junior High? High school? Was it a public or private school.
    Seriously, I would be interested in your answers, unless your blood pressure now is begging you to cede the argument. ;)
    (Wm: I know this is long... but please, at least initially, leave it intact, so that they have a chance to read it without having to leave the page. Thank you :))
    - CB

  • 4/13 8:45am   KL - Where do you get that info? The BOS can suggest a budget % increase but the School Committee can still propose their own budget to the Town Meeting.
    - PC

  • 4/12 10:54pm   For PC - The Selectmen tell the School Committee what percentage increase their budget needs to come in at, based upon the year before. This year, the Selectmen told the School Committee to come in at 0% (level funded). The School Committee came in at 0.8%. (Keep in mind that energy costs, salaries, etc have been rising at a rate between 6-8%, and last year the Schools came in at 2.something %, again, essentially a 5% cut)
    The taxpayers have no idea of what the other departments have come in at, as the Selectmen have yet to publish any other Department's budgets.
    And SM, it's no secret that Jay Talerman supports the schools; it is right there on his website for the whole world to see at jaytalerman.com. Jay is campaigning with the following goals:
    1) An efficient Town Hall
    2) A Healthy School System
    3) Preservation of Open Space and Smart Development
    4) Housing and Tax Abatement for Seniors
    Jay Talerman's contact information is on his website, so I am sure anyone with any questions can contact him for more information. There is also Candidate's Night where questions about any of the above can be asked of either candidate.
    I hope everyone will take the time to find out more about Jay Talerman: His municipal experience, his long range vision, and his global understanding of all of these issues would make him a huge asset to this community, be you old, young, with children in the school system (or not), concerned about the moonscape and its frustrating lack of progress, or concerned about Norfolk's dwindling open space.
    Other towns pay lots of money for Jay's expertise; you know that old saying about the cow and milk?
    Please take the time to learn more about Jay Talerman..
    - KL

  • 4/12 10:02pm   Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't the School Committee propose any budget amount they want? The Selectmen don't decide what gets spent, Town Meeting does!
    - PC

  • 4/12 10:00pm   SM - You know, for a person who seems to think that the School Committee are Norfolk's own version of the Keystone Kops, you give them an amazing amount of credit for being able to manipulate people. They can't balance a budget, they are being abused by their vendors, but they have gained control over DM and now they have managed to pull a Jedi Mind trick to get a guy into running for Selectman so that they can run the whole town from their ivory tower. Talk about a conspiracy freak! [...] With citizens like you I am surprised we can get anyone to run for what are essentially volunteer jobs.
    - DCL

  • 4/12 9:09pm   SM and RC, you guys are like Mutt and Jeff. Everyone knows that the School Committee would support anyone or anybody except Jim Lehan. No big secret there. Many people think it would be a refreshing change to replace Mr.Lehan with the hopes that the divisiveness and bickering subside between the Selectmen and ALL the boards.
    Maybe with a change the Selectmen would actually produce some revenue for Norfolk for a change. And by the way, Jay Talerman can't raise anyone's taxes more than 2-1/2%, same as Jim Lehan. The difference is, Jay Talerman might actually allow us the right to VOTE again on important matters in this town!
    - PB (the other)

  • 4/12 8:11pm   SM, if the webmaster allowed us to be snarky and personal, I would say you need to increase the dosage, your paranoia is getting out of control.
    I'm against extravagent spending from the schools to the Taj Ma Library to the DPW, and I'm supporting Jay because I've had the pleasure to work with Jay both in town, and in his professional life, and I've found him to be a straight shooter who tells it like it is and has a wide breadth of experience in other communities to draw from which will help him avoid many of the mistakes other towns have made.
    It's the grand conspiracy theories and balkanization of town government that's dysfunctional, and I think Jay is the best candidate to break through that.
    - RJG

  • 4/12 4:26pm   RC, I too hear that SC members have been openly supporting Jay Talerman. I also heard that SC members have been sending out emails supporting Talerman. Yet Jay Talerman doesn't openly acknowledge their support on his web site even though his web site contains testimonials from other town Boards .
    Thus it would seem that Mr. Talerman is the School Committee's "Trojan Horse" candidate for the Selectmen. This is very disconcerting because we need fiscally prudent selectmen that will make the tough decisions. Otherwise we will be facing overrides every year. Can you imagine what a financial mess we would have if the "Senior Members" of the SC were using Talerman as a surrogate and were secretly running the town government? Instead of cheering another year of no overrides we would be suffering through another year of our annual overrides. Talerman has made it already made it known - spend more money on everything and then send the bill to you the taxpayer. This guy Talerman and his School Committee puppeteers are scary.
    - SM

  • 4/12 12:14am   SM - You really should get out more. Bus fees were discussed with the public well before April 3. They were discussed clearly at their February 6, FY 2008 Budget Presentation to the public. I know because I was there. I guess you weren't. And to prove it, go to the Norfolk Public Schools website and click on the link to the FY 2008 Budget Presentation right there in the middle of the page. Then go to slide (page) 3 and see transportation fees listed at $30,000. They explained verbally that $30k was an estimate of new busing fees that they were planning to impose rather than make further cuts to programs or staff. (They also disclosed at that meeting that they were cutting 19 teacher aids to reduce costs to maintain a level funded budget required by the Selectmen.)
    Prior to Feb 6, there had been a lot of talk about potential bus fees. But the Selectmen never offered to bring it into the town side of the budget for all those months. And like I said, implementing or not implementing bus fees does not change the fact that Boardman St. has been unsafe for cars, buses, children, seniors, pedestrians, neighbors for years. Why didn't the Selectmen improve Boardman St. before? Why are they suddenly now concerned with safety? ... right before the election... hmmmm...
    - DD

  • 4/11 7:16pm   TIS--Yes, there is a fundamental flaw in the way we fund our school system and it is not going to be fixed by our town. The bottom line is that the system is broken and this needs to be reviewed at the state level. Five years ago, in 2002, Massachusetts led the nation in cutting funding to public education. Those cuts have yet to be restored. In order to be funded at the 2002 levels, $492 Million would need to be pumped back into the system and that is adjusted for inflation. Further, you should know that MA relies more heavily on local taxes to fund public shcools than almost every other state in the country. Most school systems in other states receive a greater percentage of funds from state sources. Also, MA spends less, as a percentage of personal income, on public education than every other state in the Northeast, ranking MA 38th out of 50 states. Bottomline is that MA needs $1 Billion to be funded at the national average.
    How did we get here? Obviously the economy in 2002 was a huge factor, we also have MCAS and No Child Left Behind (NCLB) mandates. NCLB needs to be funded better from a Fed'l level and the state needs to put it's money where it's mouth is. Also, the formulas for funding such things as Special Ed are seriously flawed. Consider a child at KP who needs to be educated out of district at say $150k to $200k. We, the district, must pay $30k and then 28% above the circuit breaker. That is say $150 k minus $30k times 28%. We all must pay for the education of all students and the formulas put too much of a burden on individual districts.
    What do we do? We all need to get involved and start lobbying our representatives. A number of us who comprise a local chapter of Stand for Children recently met with Rep Ross and Sen Brown. We've also been talking to the superintendents and school committee members of the regional district as well as Norfolk. Both committees have legislative liasons who are also tackling the issue with the reps. A number of us have written letters to various members of the senate and house as well as Gov. Patrick. We are asking that formulas be reviewed and the fat taken out of the spending so money can be devoted to education.
    There is a rally at the State House on 4/25. We'd love to fill the bus from Norfolk. I think we have 25 so far and have space. We'd love to have you join us not only at the rally but working at the local level to bring more money into the district.
    Please note, all statistics have been gathered from the DOE web site or provided to us by Stand for Children a nat'l as well as state organization.
    - BS

  • 4/11 7:15pm   SM - At the public hearing on the bus fees, Jack Hathaway flat-out refused to offer any aid to the schools. And now, two weeks before the election, the Selectmen "find" an extra 30K?? Call me cynical, I guess...
    But you know what? Maybe I'd be a lot less cynical if Mr. Hathaway and the Selectmen showed the town the other Department's budgets. Why is it that only the school budget is public at this point?
    And how 'bout certifying the free cash? Hear they still have yet to comply with the Commonwealth. And the Selectmen talked about how "Jane Wall really burned the midnight oil" to comply with these requests. If Jane Wall has a year to complete the process, and needs to "burn the midnight oil" to get the job done six months after the fact, maybe the taxpayers deserve someone more qualified, no? And where was Jack Hathaway through all of this?
    How can you defend this administration?
    - MKL

  • 4/11 7:14pm   I would like to thank the people who made full day kindergarten available to everyone who wants or needs it. As a parent of three children (and living within a mile of HO Day School), I will potentially be paying for three kids to ride the bus. Although I would rather not have to pay over $400 for this service, I am willing to do so. Frankly, I am somewhat surprised that this is such a hot issue in a fairly wealthy town. I don't think it is unfair to charge the consumers of the school system a fee for transportation and it has become common practice in most towns. Families that are experiencing a financial hardship due to the fee should be able to apply for a waiver. If anything positive comes out of the dialogue, I hope it is a proposal to add sidewalks.
    - CS

  • 4/11 7:11pm   I was a little surprised when I had to listen to a SC member on the phone, trying to get Talerman votes and room for a Talerman sign in my yard. With all the issues (criticism) that is being laid at the door of the SC one would think that 1) their time could be better spent and 2) politicking for a Selectman seems to me to be a little incestuous.
    On another note with the cost of the software. Hypothetically speaking, if you need approval for capital outlay for a purchase above (lets say) $5000, one might tell a vendor to invoice us now for (lets say) $4000, and over the next couple of years add the additional purchase price, interest and maintenance fees into a yearly contract (62% of the original cost). Typically a business would not incur an expenditure until there was a need for it (busing software). Now it looks like we own software and a maintenance contract and there are second thoughts about charging a busing fee. Where does that leave us with our software. School Committee, your responsibility is to The Children of Norfolk. Nobody Else.
    - RC

  • 4/11 5:36pm   SM - Hi, You posted "all of the Selectmen support this proposal not just Jim Lehan who is running for reelection." You posted that in reference to putting the bus tax in the General Fund. Where are you getting this information from? I re-watched the selectmen's meeting and the only one who offered their support was Selectmen Lehan. Please inform us how you came to the conclusion the other selectmen support this. Thanks!
    - LS

  • 4/11 5:35pm   DM (SC Member) - The one thing perplexing to me is why "road repair" is in the School Budget. If the SC is bent on putting something in the General Budget then this should be it.
    SM - the Selectmen have not offered anything, so don't jump to any conclusions. Watch the meeting. Are SM and DM related? Find other ways to bring in 16K in revenue to the schools.
    - LS

  • 4/11 4:50pm   TIS & DV: Excellent points.
    Related: I thought that I had read in the Boomerang that tonight the subject will be discussed again in a follow-up meeting. Now, having re-read the article, it looks like the meeting I was thinking of is in fact a budget subcommittee meeting. Is that correct? Does anyone know here and when that meeting will be, and if it is open to the public?
    - CB

  • 4/11 4:47pm   TIS, Unfortunately I don't have an answer for where we go from here. That doesn't mean we can't stop looking. The best solution that I do know to help alleviate the problem is to get involved with the state funding of education. For a state known as "Taxachusetts," it is embarrassing how little is spent on education. Groups like Stand for Children and others are addressing this issue and lobbying the state government to address this situation. In addition, members of the School Committee and Dr. Augusta-Scott are working with the state legislature on a number of initiatives to help get more money for state and educational aid for Norfolk.
    Beyond some other large influx of funds, such as commercial development which has its own problems, money for running the town and schools must come from the state or our pockets. The current model that Norfolk has chosen to adopt is to cut and cut and when the finances get completely desperate (after 2-3 years of tightening already razor thin budgets) ask the townspeople for an override. Such a cycle at best restores the town to an acceptable level of funding for that one year and then the slide towards financial crisis starts all over again.
    Regarding the bus fee, contrary to some posts I am not looking at this as a source of funds other than to offset a huge liability that we are not legally obligated to pay for. I have said this before and will do so again here: I do not want to charge a bus fee, however we cannot continue to fully subsidize over a quarter of a million dollars for bussing every year that we don't have to at the expense of classroom instruction. This is the case whether the budget is part of the school line item or moved to the town in my opinion.
    Regards,
    - DM (School Committee member-speaking on my behalf and not that of the SC or any other members)

  • 4/11 4:01pm   WB and DD, I don't see how you can claim that the Board of Selectmen's offer to absorb $30k into the town budget to cover the bus fees was politically motivated. First, the Board of Selectmen couldn't act on this issue until after the School Committee held its public hearing on 4/3 so they could see where things stood. Second, all of the Selectmen support this proposal not just Jim Lehan who is running for reelection. Third, both the SC and BOS recognize that in order to solve our financial challenges they need to work together and this offer by the BOS is the type of teamwork that Norfolk needs.
    DM, a SC member, recognizes this and to his credit in his last post he stated "I'm glad that Jack and the Selectmen have taken up the proposal discussed at the School Committee public hearing on 4/3. Several parents suggested this, and we requested that Jack bring this back to the Selectmen for them to discuss and decide upon. This recent interaction is a great example of how we can work together to solve tough problems we face as a town."
    - SM

  • 4/11 3:59pm   I think that everybody discussing the bus fee issue needs to put things in perspective. I do not care whether the decision to not charge a bus fee comes from the school committee itself or the Town Selectmen, as long as it comes, and we do not have to pay this bus fee, and people can start talking about things that really matter in this world like the loss of lives in Iraq including one from our own town. Pray for the family of the lost soldiers and stop ripping each other apart over $150.00. In the end, it really doesn't matter...
    - SD

  • 4/11 3:27pm   Even if school drops the busing issue this year nothing will prevent them from bringing it up next year. They see it as potential revenue stream, with the crunch they are in, you can't expect them to ignore this stream for very long.
    The way the school system is setup, they need 400K-500K every years to keep the same service level. This model is essentially flawed, the town revenue doesn't grow this amount every year, and with the real estate market in the slump. The town would be lucky to pull current level of revenue for next few years.
    So my question for DM is where we go from here? The current model is unsustainable, every year we spent six month wondering how we will fill the budget gap, perhaps we should also start thinking about long term solution to this chronic problem.
    - TIS

  • 4/11 2:39pm   I may be wrong here, but if the town took over the payment of the bus fees and wrote it in to the taxes, wouldn't that be a way to sread it out to all of us, not just the families within two miles? I would think that would be a way around the law. Again, let me state that I live outside the 2 mile limit.
    - DV

  • 4/11 2:33pm   Kudos to WB for seeing the "selectmen's generous offer" for what it really is - an 11th hour grab for votes. The busing fee issue has been discussed and considered for months, even years now. Why didn't the Selectmen decide to step up to the plate months ago to avoid the bus fee issue for the good of the community? Let us count the reasons why:
    1) As WB pointed out, it is no secret that Selectmen and the school committee have been at odds for a long time now. The Selectmen have stated that the school committee should cut programs and increase class sizes to maintain a zero increase in the school budget this year and years past. Thus, the Selectmen failed to see the busing issue as a community issue and preferred to pin busing costs on the school committee as their responsibility.
    2) Why is there no money for the school committee to maintain the programs they have and avoid bus fees? Because the Selectmen have failed to bring in any real revenues to Norfolk. They have failed to work hard to bring in grant money and find significant revenue generating ideas to alleviate the funding crisis for all our departments, not just the schools.
    3) If the Selectmen are so concerned with safety, all of a sudden, why has Boardman St. in front of the school been so dangerous and poorly maintained for many years? People on that street have complained about the safety, bad sidewalks, pot holes for years. It fell on deaf ears with The Selectmen. (Maybe inaction is what the Selectman consider responsible town government and fiscal prudence.)
    Now suddenly, three weeks before the election, they see the light! Come on! School busing should be a community responsibility. The roads and sidewalks around our schools should be safe and well-maintained. The Selectmen should act as leaders and rise above conflict instead of getting mired in it. These things are what we demand as a community and the Selectmen should have stepped up to the plate a long time ago to act on these concerns. Don't be fooled by their sudden magnanimous gesture, after all, there is an election right around the corner...
    - DD

  • 4/11 2:29pm   The bus fee: I know that we always want the very best education for our children. Who doesn't? I know I do. The fact of the matter, however, is that we also have to live within our means. Now, I have heard it mentioned in previous posts, how dreadful it is to have had this particular program or that cut from the school's curriculum. One example of this would be the fact that in HOD (where I have a first grader) Spanish language education is now only taught for half of the year. But I ask you, is this really all that bad?
    Don't get me wrong, I find it adorable that my little seven year old can count in Spanish, and I understand completely how such a skill will undoubtedly become more and more of an asset to her as we lose our national identity to ever growing waves of illegal immigration... But I digress.
    My point is only this: Old as I am (44), I never experienced foreign language education until I was in the 8th grade. Do I find it helpful to offer it sooner? Sure. But to do so cost money, and if we are saying that, given limited funds, it makes more sense to cut busing than it does to cut Spanish (or computers) for our elementary schools... well folks, if that is the case, I'm afraid our priorities are askew.
    My belief is that the new "fee" has nothing to do with busing, but everything to do with finding new and creative ways to suck a little more blood out of the tax payers of Norfolk. The ridiculous expenses for software, related to the busing, bears this fact out.
    I missed the first SC meeting, but I will be attending tonight. I hope that every concerned taxpayer in Norfolk is there as well. Even if you have no children in school, or no children impacted by the fee, your real estate taxes are by and large directed to the school system. The fact that the SOC is attempting to institute this fee simply means that your and my tax dollars, formerly used for busing, can now be spent in other ways.
    - CB


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