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9/30 10:50pm The Norfolk Education Enrichment Foundation is pleased to announce its second round of grants. NEEF is seeking to fund grants that provide educational enrichment to Norfolk public school students. Last years grants included an exploration of the value Pi by the fifth grade and a program combining math and literacy in the first grade. Grant applications are available at the schools or by e-mailing NEEFGrant@ATTbi.com. Grants will be accepted until October 18, 2002 and will be awarded and announced after November 8th. - Robert Light, President, NEEF
9/30 10:41pm As to the Buckley & Mann property: unfortunately, the fact that the property is currently zoned comercially will provide little if any insulation from a 40B developer. As I currently represent many communities who are grappling with 40B, I know this to be true. In any event, it occurs to me that the best way to accomplish a number of goals may be to approach the developer with a "friendly" 40B proposal of, say, 60 homes. WHile that may be more homes than could be developed conventionally, it would remove the uncertainty of a zoning change, allow the town to be a partner in the development process, and increase the number of affordable homes in town (by 15). - JT
9/30 4:57pm There is an interesting article from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute that posits that global warming may cause a new mini-ice-age in North America. The fresh water from the melting Arctic ice could divert the Gulf Stream, and the North Atlantic coast could lose 5 degrees F just like 12,800 years ago. The article makes for very interesting and informative reading. - Wm.
9/30 2:55pm The Norfolk Cultural Council is accepting applications until Oct. 15 for support of community cultural projects and PASS funding, a ticket subsidy program for school-age children, as a result of a grant from the Massachusetts Cultural Council. Applications and detailed guidelines are available at the Office of the Selectmen, Town Hall. They are also available on-line at http://www.massculturalcouncil.org. - SB
[Please refer to the press release for complete information - Wm.]
9/30 9:33am Been reading the postings on this board for a while and finally had the courage to post a message regarding a touchy subject, bow hunting in Norfolk. I currently hunt in Sherborn where a homeowner has had problems with deer over browsing and damaging the plants in his yard. Having gotten a few deer off his property bow hunting, it's made a difference in the amount of damage he's seen. Anyhow, I'm moving to Norfolk soon and have observed a lot of deer activity on my property, in the neighborhood, and in the town in general. I'm wondering if there are other homeowners having deer over browsing issues that would allow me the opportunity to hunt on their property. Thanks. - DM
9/29 8:18pm To Mr. Lawliss: As is the case with all Chap. 30 projects, there is an opportunity to file an appeal and ask for clarification on a bid or reason for why a bid was accepted. If you have failed to appeal the bids in a timely fashion, this board is not the place to make your case to the "public" to review the bids after the fact. As you stated "This is happening across the state and costing Massachusetts millions of dollars and we're getting nothing in return." I also know for a fact that contractors and suppliers put in a "public" factor into bids which inflates the cost of many items to make up to unexpected change orders that they cannot collect on contractually. If your company truly gives the absolute best product for the absolute best price then you should be commended and better luck next time. - AB
[Why would airing a public grievance in public not be appropriate? It's the validity of the bid requirements that was called into question, not the bids themselves. - Wm.]
9/29 12:44pm Reward offered! Lost cat. Our pet cat Stivey, a 6 year old, neutered, declawed male tiger, has been lost for several days, and we miss him very much. He got out of our house, in the North Street area. He has never been outdoors before, and is probably very scared, but also looking for human contact and food. He is extremely affectionate...a gentle giant. He is tan and black striped, with a white chest, a white and cream colored belly, and has white tips on his front paws. He weighs about 18 lbs. If found, please email me at C.J.Greene@Prodigy.net or call 508-528-4434 any time day or night. We are desperate to get him back. - CG
9/29 12:36pm Regarding the "no substitute" specification. I am the original poster of the comment. Thank you for letting an outsider join in as it does involve me (as a tax payer in MA) and it certainly affects you. I agree with AN's comments regarding key system and durability, but I think the RFP process relates to state purchases as opposed to new construction. However, an existing valid key system should be maintained and can be done with mortise type locksets. Keying or cylinders should be no substitute since they are in the best interest of the town and security and in most cases still allow competition among commercially equal products. As far as durability, Sargent (the brand I represent) and other brands are used regularly in schools and are proven to be durable. Not all brands are equal and the town should be allowed to limit competition - without eliminating it. The Mass law that addresses this is MGL c.30, s.39M. I believe the intent and interpretation of the law is that a municipality can vote to limit the competition to three equal manufacturers (or a description that three can meet) and the town can decide which three are equal. This process can guarantee quality and competition, which means you will get the highest quality at the lowest price. Any legal viewers that could review this law and give me their interpretation or let me know where I am incorrect. The problem with this project is there was no opportunity to "truly" compete since discounts come from manufacturers (and they're not going to discount when they're the only game in town). The bureaucratic process to get approved is a joke (that's a whole other topic). I would love an opportunity to present my products and opinions to the town's Building Committee and discuss this topic in full with anyone. This is happening across the state and costing Massachusetts millions of dollars and we're getting nothing in return. - Bill Lawliss, Essex Industries
9/28 11:58pm Being that I am a member of the affordable housing community, I think I would love it if I had an actual house that I could pay 30% of my total household income towards owning. I, like most families who live in Pineknoll, cannot afford the inflated prices of the houses here in Norfolk, and my children really love it here so moving away is not something we want to have to do. It is true that with affordable housing there do come some undersirables, but face it ... this isn't Dorcester - people aren't shooting one another over shoes. So lighten up, life here for most is pretty good. I have lived in the Boston area, and believe me when I tell you that Pineknoll is nothing at all like High Point Village or Archdale or Beech Street. Bullets flying over your head and sirens is part of normal everyday life for those poor families (no pun intended). I think affordable housing which are actually houses are a good idea; it gives people who would not otherwise have the chance the ability to buy a home that will be theirs and not the property of the State of Massachusetts. Thanks for letting me put my 2 cents in, but i'm sure it will do no good! - RD
9/28 11:53pm Regarding the "no substitute" specification for some of the finish hardware of the KP North Middle School addition, typically such provisions are made so that locks can be master-keyed and sub-master-keyed with the rest of the locks in the facility, allowing one key to open all of the locks in the building, or allowing one key to open a certain section of the building, and so on. This is an important feature when quick access is required. Also, when a certain brand of hardware has proven to be well made and long lasting in an environment which requires heavy-duty hardware, there is a natural reluctance to try something newer, unknown (to the potential buyer), and less expensive. Door locks, handles, door closers, etc. take a beating and must be very well made to survive in a school environment. Regarding specifications: Most manufacturers of items which are purchased by public bidding have sample specifications which may be copied into the requests for proposal (RFP). This includes manufacturers of hardware and other building components and particularly vehicles, police cars, and fire trucks, which must be bought through the bid process. This is common, normal, and proper, since it allows the buyer to get what is desired for the lowest bid price. If the particular item desired is not adequately specified, the lowest bidder might propose light-duty items, and the low bid might be accepted, with unsatisfactory performance and expensive consequences for years to come. If I am in the market for a new car, and want a particular brand which has proven satisfactory for my current cars, I can simply go out and buy it. If a town wants a particular brand which has proven satisfactory, the town has to write a narrow specification for the RFP, listing exactly what is wanted, and the bids will thus be more responsive. Manufacturers provide sample specifications to aid the RFP process. These comments are general in nature, not specific to any particular bid for the KP North School addition. I have nothing to do with that bid process or any of the suppliers, and I do not infer any unsuitability of any particular product(s). - AN
9/27 11:50pm When the re-zoning of the Buckley & Mann property comes up for vote at Town Meeting, people should not be assuming that a large 40B project is a fait accompli if the re-zoning is rejected. 40B projects must be in character with the community, and it is unlikely that the developer will be able to obtain approval to build anywhere near the number of units in a 40B project that he has suggested. Additionally, the current commercial zoning of this land gives us an avenue to defeat the concept of a 40B for this property altogether. Several years ago we were able to defeat a 40B project on the site now occupied by Forekicks, on the grounds that we have limited commercially zoned property in town, and need to preserve such as we have for future commercial development. The same argument can be made for the Buckley & Mann property. The existence of other proposed 40B projects in town further strengthens our arguments with the state. Accordingly, if we choose to reject the re-zoning application at Town Meeting, we may end up with the best of all worlds, which is maintenance of the property in its current state, reserved for future commercial development. - WB (b)
9/27 10:14pm We received an interesting letter from some who seems to have submitted a losing bid on one a KP Middle School contract. Whoever heard of a bid request being written with a particular supplier in mind?! (pretend righteous indignation, tongue firmly in cheek). While we don't normally post letters from non-residents, this one is certainly relevant, and looked interesting. Anyone have any information on this? - Wm. I am writing regarding the new KP Middle School (Norfolk, MA) project being constructed. I would like to find out who in town I should speak with that will give me $25,000+/- now and about the same for each school project you build over the years for no added value and for doing nothing.Sound like a fantasy, it's not. Your recent school project was bid with no substitute products in finish hardware. Allegedly based on it's unique quality and performance yet the fact is it's all smoke and mirrors.
While I do represent the competition and would like an opportunity to compete the fact is my products (and some others) are equal or superior to those specified. The decision was based on information from the representative of the companies that are no substitute and they also wrote the specification for the project.
All I ask is for is a contact person or persons that care and want to see the facts and realize they could use $25K plus for books, teachers assistance, supplies or who knows what. Finish hardware is only about 1% of the entire project, what is happening with the other 99%.
Thanks for your consideration.
William Lawliss, AHC, CSI, CDT
ESSEX Industries
(978) 388-8593
wlawliss@essexopenings.com
9/27 6:57pm Dear MR, I thought that your apology was truly sincere when you were talking about the open house at the Senior Center. By the way, there was an open house when the Senior Center opened officially; guess you missed it. I obviously was mistaken [seeing] your last sarcastic comment about asking the school committee for the money for the bus. If you are truly interested in meeting some of the wonderful, kind, considerate, hard working Seniors there are several avenues you could take. You can become an associate member of the Council on Aging. They met every 3rd Wed. of the month. You can join the Grange, a community service organization that has many worthwhile programs. You would have an opportunity to learn history from the people that lived it. i.e. A man who lived with the Shakers, World War II Vets just to name a few. The Grange is the organization that runs the essay contest for grades 1-6. So the Seniors do interact with young people. We need you 30 and 40 somethings to help carry on the traditions and programs of the Grange. Our next open meeting is Oct. 8th. Hope to see you there. Perhaps you could deliver meals on wheels, they are always looking for volunteers. You could meet the Seniors on a one to one basis and they would love it. I hope this has given you some positive ideas on how to interact with our Seniors. - LM
9/27 4:09pm To answer your question: Affordable housing is defined as being accessible for families making less than the HUD median income for the particular area. For Norfolk, since we belong to the Boston Statistical Metropolitan area, that income limit is approximately $74,000 for a family of 4. So when we talk about affordable housing proposals, particularly under Chapter 40B, we are not talking about subsidized housing, but instead housing for moderate income families. And "affordable" houses as defined under this statute are affordable to the same family regardless of whether the house is in Dover, Norfolk, Cambridge, or Boston. Also, in order to qualify to "count" towards the 10% threshold dictated under 40B, the property must be deed restricted, to remain affordable as it changes hands. Thus someone couldn't buy an affordable house under 40B, and then turnaround and sell it for market rates a short time later and make a windfall. In addition, as part of a development, the affordable houses must look the same as the market rate homes from the outside. There can be differences relative to interior finish work, but the goal is to make the affordable units blend in with the neighborhood. A good example is Chase Estates in Westwood (located off Clapboardtree behind the Westwood Lodge Hospital). This is frequently pointed to as a success story in 40B developments. If you drive through the neighborhood, it is very difficult to tell which houses are deed restricted as affordable. - KH
[9/27 5:49pm Thank you! A Google search also found this definition: Affordable housing refers to housing intended for occupancy by households earning up to 80% of median income [...] Affordability is further defined as paying no more than 30% of income for housing costs.Using a $74,000 median income, 30% of 80% is a monthly mortgage payment of $1480, which at 30y/6%/10% down means a $275,000 house - Wm.]
9/27 1:33pm For the record: I am apologizing for the comments about the Senior Center. We all know, sometimes email comes across wrong. And this seems to have gone from a sarcastic rant to a perceived attack. Thats not the case. That said, I think it would be great if we could have days in which the community can go to the Senior Center. I would think the Seniors would like to have the interaction with some of the younger neighbors. Once every few weeks might be an option. Call it an open house. I've never met a senior who wouldn't like to interact with some younger folks. I would enjoy meeting the seniors for a game of pool. :o) As for the bus, maybe the Seniors could ask the school commitee if they could have the 45k surplus for the new van? - MR
[We received confirmation that yes, there is a legal agreement restricting the permitted activities at the senior center. However, that should not preclude an open house - Wm.]
9/27 12:59pm You know, the ranting and raving of people 30 to 40 something about the senior center reminds me more and more everytime I read it of a sibling squabble. I want what he/she has, why do they get it and not us, we were here first, and there's more of us we should come first. Knock it off already, the senior center is here to stay and I assure you when you are a senior and you live here still you will get your turn until then [be quiet] and find someplace else to go and something else to do. Green is not a becoming color (jealousy). Did you 30 and 40 somethings ever hear from your parents (our seniors), jealousy is unbecoming of a lady or a gentleman? From some of the posts on here i'm beginning to wonder! - RD
[Come now, no-one has ranted and raved yet. I've been enjoying the thread, there were many thoughtful and reasoned comments, on both sides, pointing out issues with merit. But one can't help but root for the seniors, they end up paying in more than they get out of the system; schools are expensive - Wm.]
9/27 10:49am To TMB: Well said! I would like to add, that there are quite a few unknowns with that Lawrence Street Property that the developer must consider in his plans. An astute developer should leverage a lower purchase price with the current owner, because this property has a history of industrial use and the potential of so mething being found that may have to be remediated. The previous consultant only addressed the areas of the former lagoons and a dump area. In reality a majority of the contaminated material still remains on the property (4,500 cubic yards) underneath a cap. Kind of like out of sight out of mind. The presence of any contamination in the soil and groundwater in the areas of the buildings, including other regulated or hazardous materials inside the building, were not addressed. As you put so well, it's the developer's money, let him spend it how he wishes. I just hope that the Town doesn't blindly take the 44 acres without doing their homework. But then again the Town did move along at a quick pace for that other project. Someone will likely point out that the Planning Board has nothing to do with the mess in the Town Center since the Planning Board has not given final approval of a definitive plan. A minor point, but important. While we are talking about the Center of Town, wasn't construction of a 40B Project supposed to start in August. Was it 36 units? With the mention of a 40B project, this article in the Globe about affordable housing in Dover offers a rather eye opening reality check where affordable housing in Dover is $600,000.00. - (a) WB
[9/27 11:34am Isn't ``affordable'' defined as 80% of the median cost of a house in a town? And does the price restriction apply only to the first sale, or upon subsequent resale as well? - Wm.]
9/27 9:53am As far as the comment about the roof, I personally know people that did the actual work on the roof and it did cost extra for the roof. After a short time it then leaked and had to be repaired. Also the Seniors have gotten a cost estimate on a new van for $48,000. A lot of people in town I know are driving cars that cost more then that. I don't think the Seniors ask a lot from this community. [For] the last bus they raised half the money from the Friends of the Council on aging. How many things have been funded in this town for 30, 40s that have been paid for by the taxpayers, including the Seniors, that didn't benefit them - ie. schools (children all grown and left town). The other comment I wanted to mention about the empty lot at the Senior Center after 4:00 for Basketball hoop. What about the schools that sit idle after school hours such as the Olive Day School and on weekends just like the Senior Center. A novel idea may be a basketball hoop in your driveway. I would like to agree with everyone that says we need to come together as a community: young, 20 yr olds, 30 and 40 somethings, and the Seniors. My Dad, being a highly intelligent man and 82 yrs. old who still has a tremendous amount of energy and knowledge to give to a commmunity, said to me that no matter how young, old, smart or mentally challenged, physically fit or handicapped, all people have something to teach us. Maybe if we view our neighbors in this way we can all learn something from each other. Maybe also remembering the Golden Rule might help too. Do unto others as you would have them to do unto you. We need not practice that Tarnished rule Do unto others before they do uto you. - LAM
9/27 9:51am TMB You should have read the article a little more carefully. I think all the comments you attributed to the Planning Board should have been to the Board of Selectmen. The article also stated 25% affordable housing. The Planning Board has seen little of the Plan and has not yet commented. As far as the Center of Town is concerned, it is moving forward, maybe not as quickly as we would like but it is not Town money tied up in the project. Another point: if the Planning Board hadn't been planning for the past decade you probably would have moved out by now because it would have been too densely developed. - SM
9/27 1:25am Wm: To clarify, the article goes on to explain that the rezoning the builder is requesting is from "commercial" to "residential". His plan proposes building 25 luxury homes and donating 44 acres to the town. The Planning board is concerned about potential residual contamination from some previous use. The builder insists he is willing to work with the town to avoid any liability for them (the town) should there still be any contamination. His alternative, most likely used as leverage, would be to build ~ 120 homes with approx. 10% as affordable housing. Do some quick math on the cost to the town's infrastructure with 120 homes vs. 25. And because the 25 would be "luxury" homes, the difference on taxes may not be that great. (And please, before anyone starts complaining about more luxury homes, if somebody wants to spend their money that way, so what? While you and I can agree that it wouldn't make sense to us, so what if it makes sense to them? As long as "the land" is kept whole which can be easily accomplished with appropriate codes.) To me, it sounds like another case of "the town" trying to fight off development and because of their failure to actually plan, getting caught in an even worse scenario (e.g., the center of town.) When will the planning board actually start "planning"? At least the rezoning will be presented at Town Meeting. - TMB
9/27 12:52am Just to add my two cents to the senior center discussion and the buying of "extras" for the 30- and 40-somethings - I recall a past conversation with a school administrator who was "on board" when the Day School was being built, who relayed to me that the roof of the Day School did not cost the town any extra funds. Apparently the roofing company provided the "designer" roof at no extra charge as long as permission was given to them to use pictures of the school in their marketing brochures, etc. So much for "extra" funds that could have been used for buying a van for the seniors. . . . That being said, of course we should try to fund the van. I have an elderly parent who does not drive anymore, and the senior services in his town, including a drop-in center and a handicapped van, are both invaluable to his continued independence. Norfolk seniors (and their children who live far away!) need these types of services! - JC
9/26 10:20pm For those who haven't noticed, there is article by Lisa Kocian in today's Globe about a proposed development on the Buckley-Mann property. A developer is pressuring the town to re-zone the property by threatening to build chapter 40B ``affordable housing'' if not. Perhaps this could be the perfect opportunity for the town introduce a new ``Zone 4'' residential area with minimum 5 acre lots, with a minimum of 3 acres left un-graded with all vegatation intact. It would provide an ideal setting for premium housing for the developer, and would limit the number of units built in town to keep our budgets under control. Just a thought. - Wm.
9/26 9:26pm As a twenty-something who just purchased a home in town, my hat is off to those in support of the Senior Center. I hope that the senior community feels supported by the town residents and I would like to echo the sentiments of the last two supportive posts. To do a rough calculation, the $60,000 referred to below for the bus, divided by the approximately 900 seniors is under $70 per senior. Even if you figure in the operating and other costs, this is obviously significantly below what we in town pay per child to send them to school each year ($7000+) if Boston Magazine is correct. Sidenote: I don't understand the urge to lash out sarcastically or in a condescending tone against a person or an issue in town (any issue - not just the senior center). If you'd like to discuss a point let us all do it like the neighbors we are with rational, well-thought out conversation. - MD
9/26 11:56am As Rufus Choate said, "Neither irony or sarcasm is argument." And I think it was John Knowles who said "Sarcasm is the last refuge of the weak." What are we not doing for the 30-40 year olds in town that makes MR and LS feel so underserved and defeated that they need to attack the elders of our community? I agree with ME - there are too many "they" and not enough we. I'm in my 30's and my life in town is enriched by the presence of seniors. Our seniors are there to run the town elections and town meeting, they are there protecting our town's sense of place by serving on the historical commission and a myriad other boards and committees. It's difficult when you have a job and children to take care of, but I do wish more people in my age group spent time helping to strengthen our community rather than trying to divide it. We can learn a lot from Norfolk's seniors. - DAF
9/26 11:04am I have been reading all the comments on the new Senior Center. It is amazing to me that the 30 and 40 somethings, of which I am one, can actually be so selfish. I think that every town should have a place for Seniors to go share ideas, play cards and just plain hang around. I have personally lived in town for well over thirty years, and the now Seniors were the then thirty and forty somethings. When I moved here I remember how hard they worked for the town (200 year Celebration), and many still do. They volunteer their time at the Senior Center and on the boards, they comprise a lot of the board members and workers that do a lot of the nice things for this community. For example, the 911 Memorial, the Harvest Festival, the Library Book Sale, and Grange activities just to name a few. Many of our town activities and functions are planned by our Seniors, so appreciate that. The Seniors worked many years to get that building - getting grants, etc. - so don't think it was ever a easy road even to get it built. They even had to fight a lawsuit trying to stop it because some thirty somethings on [Medway] Branch Road were afraid of the disruption in their lives, when most of the activities take place while they are at work and not to mention they were worried abourt the traffic. What about the traffic to the dump? I would say that would be far more traffic than when the Seniors use their building. This brings me to the fact that if the Seniors had their bus which they desperately need. They should be helped to find the funds to get it. I'm sure the thirty somethings may be forgetting many can't drive nor do they have the funds for a cab because many of these people live on fixed incomes. We continue to build new things for the 30 and 40 somethings, such building as the Olive Day School that had to have a designer roof for an added cost that could have been a hefty down payment on a bus, building new playing fields so I quess that it's more convenient to have all the sports activities in one place. I know when I played sports we travelled to different fields - a little inconvenient but not impossible, since Norfolk is not that large a town. If we have the money or had the money for building new sports fields, schools, etc. for the thirty and forty somethings of course which the Seniors who have lived in town for most if ther lives helped pay for even though their children were grown. Why not a new bus for transportation for people who not only served our community for many years, but our country as well as soldiers in WWII and the Korean War and yes even the Vietnam Vets are now becoming Seniors. Let's not forget the women who went to work and took care of their families while the men were away. Give the Seniors what they want. They deserve it. I hope whoever wrote the original note remembers all of this - when you become a Senior you will appreciate what it's like. This whole discussion reminded me of the Little Red Hen Story. NO ONE wanted to help grow, cultivate, make the bread, but of course they all wanted the finished product. Maybe the thirty and forty somethings didn't read that classic story when they were being held by their parents who are fast approching becoming Seniors. What will you do for them? - LAM
[9/26 12:02pm The Senior Center was a political football for many long years before it got built. Both its existence and its location were buffeted by haggling, compromises, and preference for higher-priority projects. There are many who have clear memories on this subject, perhaps they could summarize for us; I'm sure it would be very educational - Wm.]
9/26 9:41am Not surprisingly, my Sarcastic Rant stirred up some angry posts. I did NOT say we should NOT have a Senior Center. Read the post, I was sarcastically saying we should also have a 30 and 40 something center that the feds, state, and town pay for. I posted when I did as I had just finished watching bits and pieces of the Advisory Committee Meeting on NCTV. Watch it on NCTV, its very informative. - LS
9/26 9:39am Hats off to R.D.!!! ... Well said R.D ... Some of these 30's to 40's newcomers think it's just "their world" and shame on them ... The Seniors tax dollars are just as good as theirs and they have been paying taxes much longer... I am sick of hearing THEY want ... THEY said you can't do this or that ...they ...they...they ...There are just too many THEYs in town. - ME
9/25 2:57pm I, as one of those thirty something residents (just turned 30), do not one bit begrudge the seniors of the town of Norfolk their senior center, and am happy that they have a place to go close to home where they can get together play cards, read, even learn to use the internet, or to just as we call it "hang out". Anyone who wants to take that away is just jealous and needs to think of all the places that we have to go to that they can not necessarily get to. How many seniors do you see at Fore Kicks? How many seniors do you see at Community Day? How many seniors do you see at the fall fairs at Stony Brook, Emmanuel Baptist Church and the Federated Church? To those who want the senior center for their children, remember one thing: the senior center was designed for QUIET leisurely activity not for 200 screaming kids running all over the place knocking things over and making a mess. As I said, I am a thirty something, and before you pipe up and run off at the mouth I have 3 kids, all boys, ages 10, 8 and 2 1/2, who by the way express no interest in visiting the senior center. Let them have their peace and find something else to do with your kids. Visit Kids Place, visit the Pond Street recreation center, or here's a novel idea - find someone with kids your kids age and set up play dates. After serving the community as long as they did - and I'm sure some still do - they deserve a place to go to have a little fun. - RD
9/24 10:29pm The Sun/Chronicle ran a piece about the ``Age War in Norfolk'' - i.e. Persons ``30 yrs to forty something'' are professing a desire to have the Senior Center available to younger crowds. It might be useful to review the Census Figures as of Jan. 2002 which showed as follows: Age Group 1-20 yrs 3062 persons 21-40 2120 41-60 2981 60+ 882 ---- ---- Total 9045 personsI know the Council of Aging doesn't have a ``rigid entry age,'' but let it be pointed out that the Center closes late afternoon and is not open in the evening. Given that constraint, a ``Thirty and Forty Something'' contingent would find the place closed when they arrive after their days work.- JO
9/24 5:46pm Happy belated Fall Equinox! Since our internet connection was down over the week-end, and with all the paperbacks I picked up at the library book sale I not only couldn't access the web, but completely forgot about the equinox! Because the Earth's axis of rotation is tilting the Northern Hemisphere away from the Sun, the days are growing shorter and the sunlight that does reach is less direct; this causes a drop in temperatures and the onset of winter. The process will only start reversing at Winter Solstice in late December. - Wm.
9/24 11:55am The Massachusetts Department of Public Health (MDPH) announced today the identification of the first West Nile virus (WNV) positive bird of 2002 in the Town of Norfolk. [...] The finding was not surprising, since WNV has been found this year in birds in other area towns, such as Franklin, Milford, Westwood, Dedham, Framingham and Natick. [...] West Nile virus primarily affects birds. WNV is transmitted to humans by the bite of a mosquito infected with the virus. The Norfolk Board of Health and MDPH reminds Norfolk residents to reduce their risk of West Nile virus infection by considering the use of appropriate personal protective measures. - Betsy Fijol, Administrator, Norfolk Board of Health
[Please also read the full press release; it has more specifics, detail and background information, as well how to reduce the risk of exposure to the mosquitoes. - Wm.]
9/22 1:20pm Hats off to the new paramedics on the Norfolk Fire Dept ... I am so happy and relieved to hear that there are PARAMEDICS close to home now on the NORFOLK FIRE DEPARTMENT. I work in a trauma hospital in Boston and I will inform you that every second counts in a medical emergency. Those firefighters must be dedicated individuals to go through the long, arduous program on their own time and money. - LV
9/21 8:22pm McDonnell Flooring installed solid oak flooring throughout half of our first floor. We were very pleased with them. They were honest, courteous and did quality work. - RN
9/20 10:32pm I know there has been a discussion regarding flooring - has anyone used McDonnell Flooring located here in Norfolk next to the post office? I hear they are from town. Wondering how their work is. Thanks! - PR
9/20 10:30pm Fourth Annual NORFOLK SENIOR GOLF OUTING, Sponsored by The Friends of the Council on Aging. Open To All Norfolk Seniors And Guests. Saturday, September 28, 2002; rain date September 29, 2002. Pine Acres Executive Golf Course Bellingham, MA 9 holes before lunch entrance fee: $20. Includes: coffee & donuts, 9 holes of golf, lunch and prizes. Make check payable to: the Norfolk Friends of the Council On Aging mail to: Richard Connors 30 Everett Street, Norfolk, MA 02056 508 384-3783 or sign up & pay at COA office, Medway Branch - RC
9/20 4:58pm JD, I'd love a small movie theater. I really got hooked on watching 1940s movies at the Boston Public Library and Brattle Theatre when I lived in Allston. Unfortunately, that big-screen experience is hard to find, and I'm not sure that small theatres can afford to get first-run films (I wonder how South Hadley does it? Interesting.). I go to the Zeotrope in Franklin occasionally, but the screen is very small and the sound not-so-good... and supposedly it will be razed for condominiums (not positive about this). I grew up in Franklin, moved to Brookline and then Allston, then came back to the area 3 years ago and am still wondering what happens to people like me who enjoyed the cultural amenities of the city but want to live in a quiet suburb. Do we have to give up the culture to have peace and quiet? - HPK, film noir fan
9/20 9:14am It warms my heart to read the comments from "CG, CA and SF" (thank you) in regards to the Senior Center. I am a senior citizen and happy to still be around this wonderful town of Norfolk. We have been here over 38 years and chose Norfolk because it was such a beautiful, safe, peaceful, small (Population was about 2,500) and a wonderful place to raise our 5 children. When the town began to grow, we were happy that others had the chance to live and share in such a great community. My husband and I joined right into all the activities, church, school and civic happenings. Volunteered many hours over the years to make Norfolk a happy and better place for everyone, ourselves included. We loved every minute of it. Now our children have all found their places in life, some in different parts of the country. Fortunately we are healthy, happy and retired. Some of our friends haven't been as lucky, lost their spouses and their lives have changed tremendously. Some have illnesses and need assistance from good neighbors. Many rely on the Senior Center for their social life, enjoy the theater or a meal out, opportunities to get transportation to shop, keep a doctor's appointment. Many can no longer drive, have no children, or are handicapped in some way. I could go on and on. "LS and MR", don't begrudge these good citizens a decent life. Maybe you have forgotten or are too young to realize as "CA" mentioned , their generation fought in terrible wars, long ago in order to enable us to live this kind good life we have today. I still have beautiful letters my father-in-law wrote to his mother while alone in a cold foxhole in France during World War I (he was just a young boy of 19) He had plucked a lone violet from the ground and pressed it into the letter. Someday you will reach this "Winter of Your Life" and hopefully there will be people around like "CG, CA and SF" who will bring something special into your life and not look at you as a line item in the Norfolk budget. Let's get the new van for our Senior Citizens. After all, it's really what life is all about isn't it? God Bless - JJL
9/20 8:56am Hi everyone. I'm new here in town, but I wanted to get some opinions on a thought for town center. Out where my folks live, in South Hadley (Western Mass), the town center has a tastefully designed complex with a few shops (coffee, flowers, specialty & such), one or two restaurants, a bank, and interestingly enough, a tiny two screen movie theater. The theater is great. They get first run films, and take reservations! It's great because you can do an easy dinner & movie without the headache of going to a huge mall or 10 screen mega theater. It's totally NOT like your average movie theater. The whole complex seems to cater towards townfolk only. It's not like a mall or a huge shopping center that draws people from other towns. What do folks think of a tiny Mom & Pop theater in town? Would people actually go there? Or would they end up at Lowe's? Has anyone who lives in Norfolk considered starting their own business in this place that this developer is building? Do we know what he's building yet? Any info and/or opinions would be appreciated. - JD
9/19 10:32pm I agree with SF, I think those firefighters that took it upon themselves to go to paramedic school should be commended for their hard work. I realize they have spent a lot of their own money and time away from their family for us. I hope I will never need their services, but if I do, I will certainly feel better knowing that a paramedic is coming to my house from Norfolk center, not Norwood center. - MP
9/19 7:39pm Norfolk serve is looking for volunteers to help out on d-day [distribution day]. Anyone interested should call Jan Moore at the Norfolk Housing Authority (508) 528-4800, or call Pam W. at (508) 520-3689 or call Roselle D. at (508) 541-0103. - RD
9/19 5:19pm In regard to the comments about the senior center ... I am a 40 something and I am thrilled that the seniors finally got their long awaited Senior Center. They deserve it! I can't believe that "Sarcastic Rant" had the nerve to write such comments. How long have the seniors of this town been paying their dues with the new schools, town hall etc. That person seems very selfish to me. He or she will be thankful for that beautiful senior center when they reach their 60's/70's and will have a place to go. I actually think the seniors in this town should have a reduced tax rate! How does that sound! I would vote for it! TO ALL THE SENIORS IN TOWN: THERE ARE FAR MORE 30/40 SOMETHING PEOPLE IN TOWN THAT ARE HAPPY FOR YOU AND YOUR NEW CENTER. - CG
9/19 3:48pm For those that would love some self-cleaning windows, they're available in Europe! Here's an article about the technology behind the product. In brief, a 40nm coating of photocatalyst uses sunlight to break down organic molecules, and since the coating is hydrophilic, rain sheets on the glass and washes the deposits away. No metion about how the side that doesn't get rained on cleans itself, though. As for me - I don't do Windows(TM) :-) - Wm.
9/19 3:44pm RE: Sarcastic Rant - Point taken. Let me rephrase my comment. Maybe the Senior Center can be used for other activities when the use by seniors seems to be lower. It would then be more of a public building. As for the $60k for a new bus, maybe a corporate sponsor would be willing to chip in if they had advertising rights on the side of the bus? - MR
9/19 3:01pm Re: Sarcastic Rant - Yeah, and let's do something about that big brick building on Main Street, the H. Olive Day school, I drove by there Saturday AND Sunday and no one was using that building either. What a waste! Come to think, the Town Hall was empty those days as well. I agree with CA, the seniors have paid their dues and are paying our dues (or should I say paying for our kids education by way of taxes). There are six other days to the week. -SF
P.S. A way back someone post an idea that the fire department should be responsible for clearing the area around the hydrants. Well, I for one am glad that they did not listen and instead spent their time studying to become paramedics. I hope the Selectmen recognize your efforts. Thanks guys for having your priorities right!- SF
9/19 12:37pm Yeah, Lets pick on the old people today. How dare the expect any services or benefits in this town. Don't they know that the majority of the population of Norfolk is under the age of 55. Our tax dollars and efforts are going to go to building schools, ball fields, and play grounds for the thirty and forty something's children. How dare they after spending the majority of their lives raising us thirty and forty something's, fighting and living through a major world war and for many of them growing up during the depression expect anything from us their children. Enough of my sarcastic rant. I have also felt that the senior citizens of our town always get the short end of stick. I think that us thirty and forty something's should stop and notice that we will soon be seniors and will be in the same shoes as our parents. Give the seniors a break! - CA
9/19 9:53am The local book fair (9/21) made it into the Globe West today, along with a photo of Mary Jo (president of Friends of the Library) in her garage with all the boxes of books. - Wm.
[PS: anyone else experiencing trouble loading pages from globe.com from their dial-up connection? Their firewall seems to be blocking me from home, but not from my shell account.]
9/19 9:53am Warning - Response to Sarcastic Rant - I support you. Is the Senior Center only for those over 60? Can I take my kids there and hang out also? Maybe we can get a basketball hoop in the huge empty parking lot? We should use it ... we paid for it. - MR
9/19 9:52am The race starts at 11:00 AM. Prizes for first male and female $25 to Road Runner Catalog. Also medals for first runner in each age group. - LD
9/19 8:26am Warning - Sarcastic Rant - and I will most likely get some backlash BUT this is how I'm feeling currently. Whom do I petition to organize a Council on Thirty and Forty Something's? I would like the Town to pay for a building and transportation for Thirty and Forty Something's so we can go and hang out and watch TV, play pool, ect. Every Saturday when I go to the transfer station I see the new building absolutely empty along with the van and bus idle. (By the way, remind me to never hire the architect that designed that building). My opinion is that The Selectmen and Advisory Council should say NO to the new $60K bus. The Council should landscape the building grounds before they get a new bus. - LS
9/18 4:29pm To MS: The Road Race starts at 11:00 a.m. on Saturday. Registration will be between 9:45 and 10:45 at the Federated Church, and will cost $15.00. Free T-Shirts will be given to the first 50 runners, and there will be prizes by age category. - CR
9/17 10:43pm Does anyone know what time the 5K Road Race at the Norfolk Federated Church Annual Harvest Festival will be and if there will be age groups, prizes etc ... ? - MS
9/17 10:41pm The Box Tops for Education program is once again underway at the H. Olive Day and Freeman-Centennial Schools. The program is administered by the Norfolk TPA and is a great way to raise money for our elementary schools. If you'd like to participate, simply clip the Box Tops for Education coupon found on participating General Mills brand products. These include Cheerios and other favorite cereals, Yoplait yogurt packages, Betty Crocker brand products, Pillsbury, Gold Medal, Green Giant and others. Send the box tops to school with your child. If you don't have children in the school system, but would like to contribute, you may deposit the coupons in the container at the town library. - LD
9/17 2:50pm I was attending a toddler gymnastic class held at the recreation room at the new town hall this morning at 9:15. A gentleman walked in and told us they were checking the fire alarm and to ignore it. We didn't think much of it until the alarm blasted and scared the heck out of about 12 little ones all under the age of 3. One blast was more than enough, but no, they had to blast it at least 5 more times. Each time it went off, some of the children got more and more scared to the point of screaming bloodymurder. I really think that this sort of test can be done when there isn't such a class going on. I hope whoever is in charge of the testing will take notice of this and please do it at another time. I know I am going to have a battle getting him into class next week, as all he has talked about is how scared he was and how his ears hurt. - JW
9/16 11:14am Don't forget to vote tomorrow! The state primary election is being held tomorrow - with voting from 7 AM to 8 PM at the H. Olive Day School auditorium. We'll be voting for U.S. Senator, Governor, Lieutenant Governor, Attorney General, Secretary of State, Treasurer, Auditor, US Representative (4th district), Governor's Councilor, State Senator, District Attorney, Register of Probate, County Treasurer, and County Commissioner. For details see the state elections division. Election officials are predicting a statewide voter turnout as low as in 1998, when it was about 630,000 voters. A study of other states' primary elections so far this year said "If the results of the spring statewide primaries - for governor and U.S. Senator - are any guide, the patriotic fervor generated by the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon is not translating into increased political participation." For details see the CSAE report. Average levels of turnout in two-party statewide primaries and within each major party are now more than 50 percent lower than they were in the late 1960's and early 1970's. Flag-waving is an activity that all people throughout the world have access to. The exercise of free and fair elections is, sadly, far less common. Voting is a much stronger show of respect for our democracy than a bumper sticker or lapel pin. Please make every effort to vote tomorrow! -DAF
9/16 12:11am The Town has been approached by a developer who is interested in subdividing the [Mann] property off Lawrence St (former golf course considered area) in order to build houses. See the Town TV [NCTV] (last [Selectmen's] meeting) for preliminary details, etc. - JO
9/14 8:26pm Does anybody have any idea how much the people selling the red Jeep at Massage Therapy on Rte. 115 want for it? I think I mentioned on here a few weeks ago that I am looking for an s.u.v. to replace my Jeep which is dying from lack of time to fix its leaking rear main seal. I need such a mode of transportation to aid me in my services as your co-coordinator for Norfolk's chapter of Serve New England, which, by the way, will be mentioned on [NCTV's] Conversation Corner next Saturday. I hope everyone tunes in. I think we were very informative and answered many questions. - RD
9/12 10:16pm In case you missed it, the Boston Globe has an article about the West Nile virus with a number of practical suggestions on how to keep the mosquito population at bay. In brief, make sure there is no standing water about your house, and flush fountains and birdbaths weekly. There are even ecologically friendly bacteria that can be used against mosquitoes in stagnant ponds without harming the wildlife. - AN
9/12 10:03pm It's surprisingly different commuting on a motorcycle vs. driving in a car. I've never greeted pedestrians when driving, for example. I'm also surprised by how warm the sun is, how cold the shaded, tree-lined roads can be, how humid it gets in the summer evenings, or how many bugs come out late in the day. I marvel at how the trees are turning color at different times in different towns. I know which houses have horses, and I can tell where wild grapes are growing by the wonderful aroma. It's better being outside than in. - Wm.
9/12 12:38pm The Wrentham Cracker Barrel Fair starts today and runs through Sunday. It's held at the state fields on Emerald Street just past the Norfolk town line. - Wm.
9/12 9:36am Norfolk Community League (NCL) is in the midst of its annual membership drive. All Norfolk residents are invited to join the local civic organization. The mission of the 30 year old organization is "To enhance the quality of life for Norfolk residents, to increase involvement in activities that better our community, and to strengthen community spirit." As well as civic aspects, there are also several social groups within NCL. These include babysitting coops, gourmet cooking clubs, and book groups. Membership in these groups is limited to members of NCL. Anyone interested in becoming a member of NCL is asked to contact the 1st Vice President of Membership, Allison Bernstein at 541-6955. Information about NCL, as well as membership form, can also be obtained from our website at www.norfolkcommunityleague.org. [Read more about NCL and its activities on this page] - TS
9/11 12:06pm The Historical Commission has a lot of good information on their website: Be sure to click on the highlighted lines: Norfolk's Historic Homes and Structures Norfolk Historic House Plaque Program Norfolk's Historical Timeline Genealogical Queries
The Historical Commission has done an excellent job assembling this information.- AN
9/10 8:33pm I seem to recall somewhere that an updated town history was being produced and would be available sometime in 2002. Does anyone know if this has been produced yet and if so, where is it available? - JQB
9/10 4:46pm According to a banner downtown, the 9-11 commemorative ceremonies will be held at 8:45 am and 6 pm. - VR
[Or that may be 8:45 - could someone confirm either way? - Wm.]
[Ok, VR called and asked - the first ceremony is on Town Hill (or H. Olive Day School in case of rain), starts around 8:45, and is preceded by a procession from the fire station to town hill. The afternoon ceremony is at 6:00 pm on town hill, rain or shine - Wm.]
9/10 11:01am LS, Try Sam White & Sons on Rt. 27 in Medfield. They may take your old logs and brush. They used to ... for a fee, of course. - TK
9/10 1:22am In response to BC's question regarding the Autumn Celebration that was to be held last Saturday at Emmanuel Baptist Church. It had to be cancelled. They tried to get word out, but it evidently did not reach everyone. We are sorry for any inconvenience or disappointment that the cancellation caused. - KF
9/9 10:20pm I was wondering if someone can tell me exactly what time the town events scheduled for 9/11 will be. I don't see anything on the bulletin board. Thanks - NM
9/9 4:55pm Those who enjoy music performance by some of the world's best musicians might wish to check out celebrityseries.org for the 2002/2003 Celebrity Series at Symphony Hall and other local venues. Orchestras such as the London Philharmonic and Vienna Philharmonic will visit Boston and Symphony Hall. Soloists such as Itzhak Perlman and pianists including Daniel Barenboim, plus Jazz greats such as Ellis Marsalis and his 4 sons will perform in Boston in the coming months. The Dance series includes the Alvin Ailey and other groups. - AN
9/9 2:47pm Sorry to bring up old wounds. Here's a link to an article about the Natick Town Golf course from Boston.com. Looks like it is losing a LOT of money. I guess Norfolk got lucky when we didn't approve one ... anti golf course people - rejoice. [click here for the article] - MR
9/9 12:24pm To JC I believe you can buy the T-shirts at Linda's Variety. They have them hanging up so you can see what they look like. - PR
9/9 12:23pm I'm looking for a place to get rid of old trees. They have been cut up into 2 feet lengths but the tree was rather large. The Town only allows up to 4" in diameter. The wood is old, waterlogged, and not suitable for a fireplace. I did hear of a place on Rt.126 in Bellingham but can't seem to locate it. Thanks in advance!! - LS
9/8 10:45pm Does anyone know if there are any more 9/11 T-shirts available? I thought they were supposed to be on sale today at Freeman Centennial, but no one was there when I went. Are they sold out? - JC
9/8 11:44am Wonder why no-one has commented on the news item that the School Committee may take the Selectman to court to force them to sign for $50,000 worth of copiers for the schools. The money was evidently forthcoming from funds left over from the heating bill due to a mild winter. Should the question be asked how funds earmarked for one allocation are transferred to another procurement? Should the 4 copiers have been asked for and purchased over time? The reason given for the pressure to sign: "We are concerned with vendor relations and penalties." The copiers, it is stated, are desparately needed. The bill was submitted in June. By contrast, the COA is asking for 50k for another vehicle and first indication is that it will have to get approval in segments of one third per period to lessen the outlay of capital expenditures. [Meanwhile] the School Dept has questioned the legality of the selectmen's actions, saying that the selectmen can only refuse signing off if there are no funds. Yet the Funds initially were for heat? Comments?? - JO
9/8 11:42am Norfolk Lions' Youth Soccer will hold their "Opening Day" [Saturday] at the Pond Street recreational fields. All league members and their families are invited to attend this fun event which begins at 11:00 - HK
9/8 11:41am Does anyone know what happened to the fair that was supposed to be at the Baptist Church today? - BC
[We went to it, too, and were also stumped - Wm.]
9/7 11:13am One work comes to mind when reading a lot of the latest notes. MEOW. - JW
9/7 11:08am The Norfolk Federated Church announces their Annual Harvest Festival Saturday, September 21, 2002 at the Church, on the corner of Main Street and Route 115 in Norfolk Center. The festivities start at 10:00 a.m. and last until 3:00 p.m. There will be a 5 K Road Race, plenty of Games and Rides for the children, Crafters, Bountiful Basket Silent Auction, Baked Goods (homemade apple pies are our specialty!), Fresh Produce, Delicious Refreshments, and a Giant Flea Market. There will be cook out following the festival from 4:30-7:30 pm. For further information call Ed (508) 520-4379. The Federated Church of Norfolk will begin its Fall Worship Schedule on Sunday September 15th. Worship will start at 10:00 a.m. each Sunday morning. [More information available]. - LD
9/5 11:22pm According to the KP Band Website Schedule page, The Marching Band Preview Show is Sunday Sept 22, from 6 to 9PM. Thanks for reminding folks. Last year's preview show at KP High School was excellent and this year's should be too! The music programs at KP and the other schools in the district are very well managed and taught. Read the notes by KP Music Director Peter Tileston at: http://www.kingphilip.org/KPHigh/music/director.html - AN
9/5 10:39pm The September 5th edition of the Sun Chronicle has an article announcing the K.P. Marching Band's annual Preview Day. Unfortunately, the date and day printed in the article are inconsistent (Sunday, Sept. 25th). What is the actual day and date of the Preview Day? Thanks ... - RP
9/5 10:38pm Well, I read everything over and I guess I don't get your meaning. Must be an inside joke or something. - ME
9/5 10:35pm To MD: The Country Gazette, which is delivered upon request every Friday morning, covers Norfolk and the surrounding towns. Call 508-528-2600 to request a free subscription. Also, the Sunday and Thursday editions of the Boston Globe include a Globe West section, which sometimes includes articles of interest to Norfolk residents. I believe the Sun Chronicle may also run a similar section. - VR
9/5 11:17am To ME: Thank you for your response. I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't put words in my mouth. Think about to whom I was responding. - PA
9/4 5:43pm I use this site a lot to help me find various things that I need and to post my Norfolk Serve information, and most of the time just to vent. Right now I am writing because I just remembered I am trying to find a slightly used (not dead is good) S.U.V. to replace my 87 Jeep that is dying from lack of time to repair the rear main seal. I need the afore-mentioned S.U.V. to help in picking up and distributing the packages ordered by my Norfolk Serve/Serve New England customers. If anyone has or knows where I may obtain such a vehicle, please email me @ CDRD94@aol.com. Many thanks from me and Norfolk Serve - RD
9/4 5:02pm To PA: Regarding your comment about Bill Perron and Howard Cosell ... I have another quip ... Like Paul Harvey says, there is the "rest of the story". Do you think that Jack and Joyce have misled the folks in Norfolk??? - ME
9/4 4:58pm Does anybody know of anyone who has a house they are looking to sell that they would rent to own instead? My husband and I live in town and have for 5 years. Two of our 3 kids go to school here, and we are looking to move but cannot get a mortgage because we have [an old blemish] on our credit report. We love it here because it is very quiet and friendly, and we need more room than we have now, but we do not have the ability (right now) to obtain a mortgage. Anyone who can help please email me at CDRD94@aol.com. I need and want to stay in town because I am one of the people who run Norfolk's chapter of the food co-op Serve New England. THANKS to anyone who can help. - RD
9/4 4:26pm In response to SM: There just happen to be two SMs commenting that is why you had appeared to have hit a nerve. That was me. To RD: There is no plan submitted for the hill next to Town Hall. The developer has been in to speak to the Board of Selectmen about "Affordable" Age restricted housing, not Public, on part of that site. That means setting aside 20 percent of the units at 80% of the market value of the rest. To MD: I hope you have a better source of information than this website. The webmaster posts everything that is written in. A lot of it is not fact. As a matter of fact, most of it is not fact. - SM#1
[True about posting everthing... and true, most everything written here is opinion, conjecture, inference, or attitude. Which is a reality, too, as understood by those who live it. For many, this is as close as they'll get to "the facts". But who am I to wax philosophical; I'm just the typist who transcribes the messages. - Wm.]