As a test of my abilities as a wheel-builder, I biked to work today
(19 miles, my longest ride in two years). By Medfield I no longer minded
the hills, and by Dover, I was flying! The wheels held up well and remained
true in spite of the bumps and potholes I hit in Newton, so I'm pleased about
that. My next test will be of my abilities as a bike-rider, since I have
another 19 miles to ride to get back home :-)
7/5 1:12pm
It great to see so many folks express their opinion regarding what is
happening or might happen to Norfolk. I'd like to make a suggestion to
further the discussion. If there any persons who would like to be part of
a panel to discuss "Taxes and Business" or "Taxes and no Business," then
they could do it on channel 8 and 22 so that everyone in town (with
cable) could hear what they have to say. I don't want to encourage a
free-for-all type of discussion, but a thoughtful give an take about the
serious issues that are filling the comment pages of Norfolknet.com. If
you are interested, and believe that your opinion contains useful
information that will help people decide what they'd like, please call me
at 508-384-4448 and we'll arrange a "Discussing the Future of Norfolk"
panel to be aired soon.
Paul Guertin, Station Manager NCTV 8, 22
7/5 1:01pm
I'd like to thank Mr. McFeeley for answering some of the questions raised on
this board. Thank goodness someone in town government has posted clearing up
some of these questions.
I would like to clear up a couple of misconceptions Jack might have about
the people posting questions. First, it seems pretty clear from his remarks
that he believes the people voicing concerns 1) are not involved in town
government and 2) do not understand the role of town government. At least my
case, he is wrong on both counts. Hard to know since most of us are
anonymous here.
Also, I beg to differ (a bit) on Jack's statement that the PB's role is
limited - "They do not determine that a Wendy's should or should not be put
at a particular property." Maybe that is how they operate, but other towns
have found that rather than allowing developer-initiated, piecemeal
development, local governments can take charge of the planning process.
There are only so many hours in the day and our representatives are not
being compensated for their time. Nobody is saying they are doing a bad job.
Just - is there some way to do better? A committee with this issue as the
focus?
It is fitting that this is all being discussed around the 4th of July. It is
America, as Jack points out. Individuals do have property rights. But those
rights are all of ours - not just the developers'. A recent Rutgers
University study showed that sprawl costs taxpayers over 20 times what it
provides in financial gain to developers.
To quote Edward McMahon (land use planner, attorney, and director of The
Conservation Fund's "American Greenways Program"):
"Development is not the problem; it is really the solution. The real problem
is the patterns of development. The key is putting quality development in
the right place. Land use regulations can direct development to certain
areas and protect open lands. But regulation by itself, can't remedy the
problems associated with current land use patterns. Only new development and
a strong comprehensive plan can do this."
-DAF
7/5 12:16am
To the contributors to Norfolk Net,
First let me congratulate you on your interest in our Town government. I
hope it continues and that your interest could be further manifested as a
volunteer to a committee where your help is greatly needed.
The nice thing about the bulletin board is that you could write a note
without having to prove you're right. However, I said at Town Meeting, "Be
careful of those who point the finger at you and say your wrong, without them
being asked to prove that they're right." A couple of postings have asked
for the response of the BOS and I would like to address these here. Some of
the postings in the last week are just not correct.
First, let me clear up the commentary about the former Cliff's site at the
intersection of Main and Board man Streets. The hearing with the Planning
Board on the 12th is just an approval for the town to straighten out the
intersection and make it more safe by having Boardman Street intersect Main
Street at a right angle. It involves the taking by the town of several
hundred square feet of the Palryan property. Peter Chipman is the
representative for Palryan and he has agreed providing it doesn't make the
remainder of the lot unbuildable. It doesn't, but I'm sure this will be
brought up on the 12th.
As for whether there is a Wendy's or a Honey Dew Donuts or any other
establishment on this property, this is in Peter's and Palryan's hands at
this point. Likewise for the tree removal. There is absolutely nothing
planned or being done by the Town. Furthermore, they have not presented
anything to the town regarding a particular business on this property. The
town does not dictate to the property owner what business must be put on
their property. Remember, this is America. We do have zoning bylaws, which
determine classes of business in each area and site building requirements,
but if the property owner plans a Wendy's, it is not our call initially.
It's interesting to note that on June 28, 2001,
PA wrote, " On another note,
I saw some maintenance people from Wendy's Restaurants at the corner of Main
and Boardman doing some work, so I'd imagine that's what headed there."
Imagine? [P], you know better than that.
This is the comment that precipitated several postings deriding the Town for
not doing its job.
DAF wrote,
the same day, "Where are the Planning Board
members on this? Didn't they get appointed to their positions in order to
plan. Plopping a fast food franchise into our town is not planning."
Remember, this is not the Town's plan, just PA's 'imagination'.
DAF apparently doesn't understand what the Planning Board is all about.
First of all they are elected. Yes, they do provide a Master Plan for the
Town, but their main function is to oversee that development is consistent
with the existing build out plan and to manage new development. They do not
determine that a Wendy's should or should not be put at a particular
property. It is the property owner that does this. Peter, would you care to
comment on your plans?
In reality our bylaws are such that it would be extremely difficult to put a
Wendy's on this property. There are town bylaws that may make it difficult.
There are parking requirements, curb cut requirements, signage requirements,
septic system requirements. There are much more restrictions than one could
"imagine". For example, have you noticed that the existing Dunkin Donuts
does not have a menu at its drive up window? If anything, our town bylaws
tend to be overly restrictive.
PD asks six questions
regarding development. Let me answer them as 1. Yes,
2. Yes, 3. By going to Planning Board Meetings or asking the Planning Board,
4. Nothing. That's discrimination. We can't single out a business. But we
can plan our zoning to make it difficult for some. 5. Come on down and talk
to the Selectmen and the Planning Board. We'll be happy to hear your
opinions. Call us at 528 1408. 6. We wonder too. Right now that's still
in the developer's hands.
'A Very Concerned Norfolk Resident'
writes, "The bottom line is that the tax
payers in Town get saddled with the roadway repairs. This situation is a
continued lack of foresight on the Selectmen's part. They are the permit
issuing body for earth removal permits." This is an example of pointing the
finger without proving you're right. The anonymous writer infers that the
nearsighted Selectmen are responsible for trucks carrying earth out of
development site. This is wrong. There is an allowable amount that can be
removed without a review by the Board of Selectmen. The Selectmen have
limited power in controlling truck traffic in town. Earth removal is only a
small part. If a developer wants to bring in earth, lumber, curbstones,
asphalt, the Selectmen have little involvement. "Very concerned" just has to
conjecture. We have to follow the law.
Finally, on the subject of Public Hearings . . . Notices are published in one
or more local newspapers, notices are also posted at Town Hall, and notices
are sent to abutters and often abutters to abutters. We have to follow the
state law.
We are trying to establish a Town of Norfolk website as well. I sympathize
with SF who states
that, "The quicker the BOS acknowledge that NorfolkNet
'is' our town website". It is not. NorfolkNet performs a valuable service,
but it is not a town website. However, Andras is working very diligently
with three other people and the BOS to create a Town website. NorfolkNet
successfully serves a very needed service as a community bulletin board, not
under the control of the town. It is only useful if it remains that way.
Thanks,
Jack McFeeley
Chairman, Norfolk Board of Selectmen
7/4 9:07pm
Thank you, Hilary. Everything that you have said makes sense. I hope that
all of the agreements are reached soon, it concerns me that Norfolk has
been without your services for a month. Of course there needs to be a
holding place for animals, etc. The bird is gone, I don't know where, but
hope he survives!
- CR
7/4 9:05pm
Norfolk Observer,
I agree with you that Norfolk centers location does not naturally
attract business. It is that precise reason why we need leadership that
can create a package that attracts the right businesses for the center
of town. Have you been to Sharon Center recently, they have a Starbucks.
Starbucks was not interested in the location in Sharon because "there
was not enough traffic", the Sharon town leadership would not take no
for an answer and went and sold Starbucks on the benefits of locating a
store in Sharon. Starbucks changed their mind and have not regretted the
decision, the store is doing quite well. Towns like Norfolk can not sit
back and wait, we have to market Norfolk to the businesses we want. We
should be working hand and hand with the developers of the Town Center
in order to assure we are attracting the businesses the people of
Norfolk need and want . . .
- MA
7/4 8:10pm
Dear CR:
I'm sure its hard finding any, or even the right, venue to help with this
issue. Feel free to contact my personal voice mail and I will call you back
with a number that you can try for a wildlife rehabilitator in the area (if
the bird is still there) or direct you in the right direction for this
particular animal. You may also feel free to contact my phone if you have
questions about animal control and where it is going in the town of Norfolk.
As a general note (I don't want to take up all of norfolknet's page space),
improvements are happening. If you go through the archives you will read
why these issues
have come forth and why they must be dealt with before
further work can progress. the main issue is safety; for people and our
four legged friends (and sometimes two legged!) the safety must be
addressed and dealt with. I know it's a tedious process to get approval for
equipment/supplies/shelter with municipalities. As a resident of the town,
as well as the animal control officer, I get very frustrated when I think we
are about to jump over the hurdle and then I find out there's another step
that needs to be taken. My frustration grows from my desire to help the
animals and the residents. I don't know if I've had the pleasure of
meeting you in person, but if so, you know that my concerns are forefront for
animal welfare and that is why I am adamant that these changes come forth. I
know its hard to understand sometimes, but if this step isn't taken now, then
the problems will compound in the future. I am confident and hoping that
some resolution may be reached within the week coming to accomplish where I
want to be -- back on the road--. I have heard agreement and confirmation
from the board that the first set of needs will be met, and now it seems
that its just the issue of ordering parts/supplies and getting the products
installed to get rolling again. There has also been agreement and
discussion about a "holding facility" for the animals so that they may be
safe and comfortable while awaiting their owners or new adoptive parents.
Obviously that planning will take more time and as long as there is
commitment from the town to provide, I am more than willing to work through
that period of planning/erection of a space for animals. Please, anyone
who has questions... Feel free to contact me at 528 4101. I am more than
willing to point people in the right direction or answer questions and clear
up some of the confusion.
Hilary N. Penlington,
Norfolk Animal Control
7/4 3:31pm
Does anyone know what is going on with the animal control officer in
town? I have a beautiful black bird with a blue head in my back yard with
a broken wing. I called an was told that the current officer is on a leave
of absence, apparently there are some issues to be worked out with the
selectmen in town. I was referred to Stony Brook, but there is no one
there today due to the holiday.
What is the game plan, and who is providing coverage in the
interim? Apparently, this has been going on for a month already.
On another note, my family and I took a nice walk in Bicentennial Park
today as a way to celebrate the holiday. Happy 225th birthday, USA!
- CR
7/4 3:28pm
Does anyone know if there are local firework displays tonight, July 4th, or
later in the week? We enjoyed the Walpole fireworks but can't confirm if
they will have a display this year. - ADL
7/4 3:26pm
Whenever I've had a rough day, I dial into this site for a good
laugh. Today was no exception. We're still figuring out where to educate
our kids and now we're talking about the following: a cafe with music on
the weekends, an art gallery, wine tastings, a book store and, the best of
all . . . "tourism" in Norfolk! [ . . . ]
This is Norfolk, folks. It's not like the town you grew up in or the one from
which you've just moved. We just don't have the traffic in the center to
support these types of businesses. "MA" says: "Until we have leadership
that will provide a vision we will continue to debate what businesses
should be located in the center of town." Leadership and vision are
wonderful attributes. And, sure, we can debate and we can wish all day
everyday. But until a businessman WANTS to come here, there'll be no
business. Don't you think that if other businesses could make it here
they'd already be here?
- The Norfolk Observer (NO)
[Now, that's too harsh! Educating our kids costs a lot more money than
a cup of coffee with pastries.
A cafe or a bakery would be great to have in
town, it's just a matter of finding someone who'd be willing to start one.
Although Norfolk is a smaller town than its neighbors, it's much bigger
than it was ten years ago, and there is money and interest on the part
of residents toward town-friendly businesses. Leadership and vision
are required to distinguish, and to steer the development that is
inevitable toward a future with which we will be happy - Wm.]
7/4 12:44pm
The Gazebo benches are getting worked on and will be back at the Hill soon.
(PS: we're going to clean them, then possibly treat them;
they weren't stolen.)
- SW
7/4 3:02pm
To: SF . . . Regarding the benches at the gazebo: They were removed so that
the skate boarders could have more room to do their stunts after they tire
of using the train station parking lot. Hey, kids . . . .
It's the new Norfolk Skate Park! . . . RP
7/4 12:39pm
Happy July 4th!
7/3 10:29pm
To NS -
The liquor license that belonged to Cliff's Package store was
transferred - I believe - to Linda's Variety when ownership switched to
the Orlando's. Prior to their ownership the store was a Dairy Mart.
- JD
7/3 4:02pm
To add to the Norfolk Center wish list . . . how about a small book store/cafe
that maybe
has music on the weekends. A pharmacy is a definite . . .
ice cream store (like on the corner
of 1A and RT27 in Walpole), one or two nice restaurants . . . ok, I'm going to
stretch it here but
how about a small art gallery where you could have local residents display
their arts and have
wine tastings (i.e Zullo in Medfield) and . . . . . ok, maybe I'm pushing
it. Of course, I'd prefer all privately owned businesses.
Basically, I think the town center should be a place people would like to
come to and hang
our instead of zipping in and out to get their biggee fries.
- JP
7/3 2:01pm
As long as we're dreaming . . .
about the only stores I can think of would be a
pharmacy (not big) and a small grocery store; the size of Colellas market
in Hopkinton would be perfect. Any type of Mom & Pop store would add
character to the town. I'm certainly not looking for chains and franchise
types. For anything else I don't mind traveling to Franklin or Bellingham.
We have a great local hardware store which I hope doesn't go out. Medway
just lost their hardware store.
A friend and I always dreamed about putting a small bakery (muffins and
pastries) & sandwich shop at Main & Boardman with a farmers porch so people
could sit and socialize. Unfortunately everything comes down to money
these days. Maybe 'Rafferty's Home Baked Goods' will grow enough to move
in.
As for ice cream, don't forget that Borques has a walkup window (or has it
closed?). I use to bike there with my daughter and drool over the tractors
when Norfolk Power was next door. The only thing I remember was that the
hours were short and scattered.
P.S. Anyone know what happened with the park benches at the gazebo on the
common? They have all been removed. I went and got a coffee the other day
and was hoping to sit outside. Weren't those gifts to the town?
- SF
[Actually, a bakery in town would be most welcome. If you added bagels to
your mix, you'd have me as a regular in an instant! - Wm.]
7/3 1:57pm
We should have the planning board contract with Disney to put together a
master plan for town center. I've been to the Magic Kingdom and was quite
impressed by their plan for Main St. Quite frankly, it has everything we
envision for the center of Norfolk: a candy store, an ice cream shop, a drug
store, several restaurants, a post office and even an upscale coffee shop.
In addition, just think of all of the dollars we would generate in tourism.
It could be a bigger money maker then a golf course.
My point is we do not
live in Disney World and have to face the realities of what the center of
town can and cannot support. Until we have leadership that will provide a
vision we will continue to debate - which we have for the last 15+ years -
what businesses should be located in the center of town.
- MA
7/3 12:18pm
As to Notices, hear the Board of Selectmen have scheduled 8 pm on July 9 as
the time and date for all the committees (Planning, Conservation, etc.) in
Town to discuss the golf course, as promised at Town Meeting.
- RIP
7/3 12:09pm
A suggestion for something to go at the corner of Main Street and Broadman
would be a Homemade Candy/Icecream Parlor. Similar to Furlongs on Route 1
in Norwood however maybe a sit down, old town, counter style to enjoy your
icecream like back in the day to keep the character of the town. We already
have a sandwich shop, coffee place and a variety store. How kool would it
be to walk (if you live in walking distance) to the center of town for a
scoop or two or pick up some of your favorite chocolates . . .
- JBH
7/3 11:21am
It's true, the Dunkin Donuts is doing well in town. Does this mean we
need a Honey Dew Donuts as well? Does their success indicate, for any reason,
that we should pursue another fast food establishment at all. This town is
not a rest stop on the Mass Pike.
``If you build it they will come'' . . . God I hope not. We have all made
note of the
trash that would be generated, the smell and don't forget those early
morning donut or
burger deliveries . . . enough said.
How about the fancy new stop lights that we would need
if and when one of these fast food moguls took up residence in the center of
town.
It's hard enough getting through the center of town when the train lets out
without adding a full traffic light.
Let's get some alternate suggestions for that site, even if it's just
between ourselves
for now. How about a pharmacy, a good sandwich shop or even a more upscale
coffee house.
There must be an option beyond a fast food restaurant.
I want to see what other people think we should use the space for.
While were at
it, since we don't know what is going up on the hill, what do we want to see
there as well.
See you on the 12th. Lets try to keep the people in charge from
making a big
mistake.
- PD
[So, what exactly will be discussed at the meeting on the 12th?
We know about the road realignment;
although the boards have to post meeting times with a 48 hour advance notice,
they are not obligated to make the full agenda public ahead of time - Wm.]
7/3 11:17am
I think the public notices are posted on the bulletin board to the left of
the town cleks window in the town hall. It would certainly be nice if the
town could submit 'all' meeting notice to NorfolkNet where more of the
'public' has a chance to see the notice. The quicker the BOS acknowledge
that NorfolkNet 'is' our town website the better. Judging by the post
times for the previous notes, I think the webmaster is working harder then
our town government. (Note it says AM and not PM - 12:51 am)
And one more thinkg on the golf course . . . Are they going to use underground
sprinklers? I thought the town passed an ordinance or something not
allowing any more undreground sprinkler installations. How is it they can
install one. Perhaps town property is exempt!
- SF
[Blush :-) I don't know about working harder, but I have been known to
keep rather unconventional hours - Wm.]
7/3 11:11am
To NS, that's strange, I see ``Notice of Public Hearing'' all the time, they
are mailed to my house quite frequently. Seems we are abutted to a lot of
stuff that HAS to have a Public Hearing. The one I posted was just one of
two that made it to my mailbox in the last month. I don't know where you
live, but wanna swap places?
Anon, that's a good point you make about the water ban. I was so excited a
couple of years ago when we got ``Town Water'' but it was short lived when they
immediately posted a water ban sign.
- JW
7/3 12:53am
This town seems to have unlimited funds for fun things like recreation
facilities and a golf course. And each year we're asked for a tax
increase to support basic services like the schools, fire or police. I'd
like to see the town pay it's bills for infrastructure first, then try
getting their prop 2.5 overrides for their recreation facilities or a
golf course. By the way, a golf course has to be watered. A lot. We have
a water ban every summer. Our lawns and gardens shrivel up by July
because we can't water, presumably because there isn't enough water
under Norfolk. If there is water to keep a golf course green, we should
be able to water our lawns too. If there isn't enough water, we
shouldn't be considering a golf course.
- Anon.
7/3 12:51am
I was going through the old posts and came across this one. Where would one go to find out who the liquor license was transferred to?
AE are you still lurking? Where did you hear this? - NS
9/23 3:30pm
The liquor license for Cliff's Package Store has been
transferred to new owners, evidently, and they hope to re-open with a
drive-through in early October. It will be a Blanchard's and will also
offer delivery. - AE
7/3 12:39am
This may be a stupid question but I have to ask -
where do these ``Notice of Public Hearing'' articles get posted?
I have never seen one . . . ever.
- NS
7/2 10:40am
A Wendy's in the middle of Norfolk? You've got to be kidding me! I can
see it somewhere on 1A (maybe) but not in the middle of our town. What an
ugly site
that would be (as well as the smell as others have indicated). Someone MUST
know
what's going on there. First I heard a Honey Dew Donuts. From a business
sense I
can't believe either makes economic sense. These fast food joints need to
be on major
roads to survive. I hope this rumor is untrue because it would destroy the
character of
the town. I hope the BOS and Planning Board members visit this site because
this will reflect very poorly on them if this rumor turns out to be true.
Part of their job is to
maintain or enhance the character of the town through proper planning. If
you know
differently BOS and PB, please voice your knowledge here. Thank you.
(Can't wait to visit the post office on a beautiful Saturday morning and
smell the wonderful
odor of fried animal fat and french fries waifing through the
air . . . yummmmmm.)
- JP
[ I'm not sure about the lack of economic sense - the Dunkin Donuts
seems to be doing pretty good business every time I drive by - Wm. ]
7/1 3:37pm
To JW:
The posting of the public meeting has the appearance of being a road
realignment. The Town is "taking some land" to "fix" the Boardman and
Main Street intersection and allowing for side walks too.
[. . . P]lease look at the plans carefully, but the
work is a little more than [just] roadway realignment. As for the comment by
Wm., the clearing of the lot in anticipation of site development violates
the Town Bylaws. I can see that a portion of the area may be cleared
where the road may be located. OK, but are we looking at a six lane
highway? Anyway, the fact that the Planning Board has not reviewed this
and a Building Permit has not been issued for this project. I know I
checked with the Building Dept
Oops, I forgot to mention that the Town
does not have a Building Inspector, his last day was Wednesday . . . So who
is responsible for enforcement?
[. . . D]o your own checking and verify the facts on you own.
See you on July 12th.
- A very concerned Norfolk resident (and will continue be one)
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